christian chastity ring disallowed by school - is this fair?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sukithesnake, Jun 22, 2007.

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    in the news this morning a christian schoolgirl was disallowed from wearing a silver chastity ring by her school, the school's argument being that the ring was not so much religious as a moral statement. is this fair?
    i do not subscribe to an organised religion but find it strange that other religions are allowed far bigger concessions, the wearing of hijabs and turbans in school etc., and yet the wearing of a discrete ring is disallowed.
    also, was good to see that the young girl's male christian friends were wearing the ring too, unlike in some religions where it is only the girl who is supposed to adhere to such rules.
    and is the idea of 'chastity' in school kids so abhorrent anyway. i mean underage sex has become an epidemic in this country, with schoolgirl pregnancies the highest in europe, and probably venereal diseases as well, including HIV.
     
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  2. Marlov

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    epidemic? Is it really this bad? And it's not a religious statement at all, there might have been a cross or whatever on it, but it's most of all a moral statement saying: "I'M A VIIHIIIHIIIIRGIN" (sorry remembered a song) while I can't remember anything (bible) saying that they have to wear such a ring.
     
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  3. sukithesnake

    sukithesnake Peon

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    and a schoolkid professing to be a virgin is wrong for what reason?
    i mean we come down, quite rightly, against pedos having sex with kids, yet as a society we seem completely comfortable with kids having it with kids!
    so you think there is nothing wrong with having the highest schoolgirl pregnancy rates in europe or a welfare system that then has to drain its taxpayers in order to pay for them!
    like i said i am not religious but i do have morals, and am proud to say so.
     
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    Why does she need a ring? Does she think she's going to forget?
     
    Phate, Jun 22, 2007 IP
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    School can do whatever they want. If you think it's not fair, don't go to this school, problem solved
     
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  6. SuviCyriacNadakuzhackal

    SuviCyriacNadakuzhackal Well-Known Member

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    You like to force your morals down other people's throat, right?
     
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  7. Marlov

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    To harashing reactors: She maybe likes it, but reacting in such a way doesn't solve that problem.

    Suki, I'm a teenager myself, I've got a girlfriend and I cannot deny that we are having sex. To be honest, I am quite loving it. Kid gets pregnant? My own mistake isn't it? Abortion or take care of it by myself, no way that I can rely on the government for support with this. Why is it disallowed for kids to have sex? they're almost the same age, there isn't a diverense between they're "power" like there would be when the guy is like 30 years older. If you care about the pregnancy rates, start a political party and do some sort of campaign to suggest kids to have save sex. OR ofcourse, don't allow your kid to talk to anything with or without a penis if he or she doesn't or does have a penis.

    If you don't like that the society takes care of em? vote for a right wing party, they might be able to stop these left acts. Sex is something natural, and if your first time is when your 30 or 16, you can still make the horrible mistake of doing it with the wrong person.

    Rather look at the number of divorces, same effect as pre-marriage wedding. Don't you think that THAT is bad? Leaving reasonably grown children alone.
     
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    not being able to wear a ring.... oh, my look she has a ring on her finger!!! oh the horror!! She must be pushing her morals down my throught! She can't wear that ring it hurts my 'fillings'!!! Daddy, she makes me look like a slut by wearing that ring you need to sue the school and make her stop! boo hoo waaaaa

    If the story is true, this is sooooo ridiculous to make a girl take off a simple ring whether it was religious or moral. A chastity ring is not part of any religion I know but is common with some Christian youth to represent they are waiting until marriage.
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    agreed completely, its a ring, and this is a free country
     
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    Wearing a ring is not a requirement of the Christian religion. The school has a uniform policy, that precludes the wearing of fashion jewellery, and is enforcing it.
    And it IS a fashion - it may hold a significance of a particular moral stance for the girl concerned, but it is a recent American trend, and she can follow the trend for wearing the ring outside school hours.
     
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  11. sukithesnake

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    yes i have morals, and no i don't think schoolkids should be having underage sex, but is that such a terrible thing?
    people seem to think these days that if you profess to having morals you must be right wing or a dried up old fart.
    actually i am left wing, and neither dried up nor an old fart.
    but society seems to have gotten all picky about its morals these days, i mean they will take the moral high ground over hoodies hanging around on street corners, or underage drinking and drug taking, but mention underage sex and nobody cares. yet you only have to watch the jeremy kyle show any day of the week to see the result of this attitude, young kids having babies before they have had chance to grow up themselves.
    so if not having sex underage is becoming fashionable in the wearing of these rings i say bring it on!
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    they didnt tell her to take it off due to dress code but specifically for a moral reasons
     
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    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

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    An epidemic? I disagree. Underage people who are uneducated about safe sex practices might be an epidemic, though.

    As for the ring issue, eh, it's a ring. Who cares? I don't see why she would have been forced to take it off.
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    I think the problem is more to do with the education of sex is schools, if they are teaching anything it should be abstinance, not safe sex. I mean do we want the dare officers to come to our schools and teach our kids how to shoot up safely? No we want them to teach kids not to shoot up.

    it really is pretty simple
     
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    Erm... no. It's not.

    Kids need to learn about safe sex practices. Teaching abstinence-only classes in schools will not help prevent teen pregnancies. They need to know how to BE safe because let's face it... just because people don't want teenagers to have sex doesn't mean they aren't going to.

    It's better to be safe than sorry. Teaching children safe sex practices is a hell of a lot different than teaching them how to "shoot up safely" (which is hilarious considering there's no safe method of drug use.)

    The problem isn't sex education. The problem is the lack of QUALITY sex education. Truthfully, the problem is misleading abstinence-only programs that give children false facts about sex!
     
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    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    So your philosophy works both ways ...Just because you want kids to have safe sex doesnt mean they will

    underage children should not be having sex, and it is up to their parents to see to it
     
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    Those are your opinions.

    But it's been studied time and again that abstinence-only programs are not effective at preventing children from having sex. Rather, a mix of abstinence AND safe sex information classes are more effective.

    If it's up to the PARENTS to see to it, then schools shouldn't need to get involved by teaching abstinence-only classes. I know when I was in school if parents had a problem with sex ed they could sign a piece of paper stating they didn't want their child to learn about that.

    Nope. Doesn't mean they will have safe sex. But if they are never TAUGHT about safe sex to begin with, how will they know what it is? Think about it for a minute.
     
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    and obviously (according to the ongoing epidemic), safe sex classes are not working either

    I agree i dont think it should be in the school at all, it takes the responcibility from the parents, but i feel abstinece is the better class of the two
     
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    According to the "ongoing epidemic" in YOUR mind.

    Do some research. Abstinence-only programs have been proven MUCH less effective at curtailing under age sex than a mix of abstinence and safe sex practices classes.

    Not only that, but abstinence only programs have been found to be giving blatantly false information to kids about sex.

    Don't misunderstand me - I don't have a problem with sex education in schools. If parents do they can elect for their children not to participate.
     
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    I can see no logic in teaching children how to have sex weather it be safe or not. Children should not be having sex. We are basically teaching children its ok, as long as its safe.

    Safe sex is not 100% safe, and if you do the math your allowing a lot of children to become pregnant, or infected by aids or some other virus. Just within the small percentage of safe sex situations, that dont work.
     
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