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Those words are going to come back to haunt you... There's only so many tantrums we are prepared to put up with.

 

Afghanistan was already in stone-age before US invasion. Iraq was no different under Saddam's rule then now. But experts are predicting back to back recessions (or is it already happening) in US. So the reaction is costing US more than anyone else. All Taliban asked was give us the proof and we WILL give the OBL to you. Bush responding that "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty."

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People who don't go for violence are pussies, Is that what you trying to say?

 

Your decimal place was in the wrong place, and you were missing a zero. I corrected it for you.

 

Actually that isnt true. Their reply was televised, and if you saw it you know better. They said basically that he was a guest of their country and turning him over was not how they treated guests. It was pretty clear they assumed that nothing would be done about that. They were incorrect.

 

The Taliban are not angels, but at least they were not puppets of any foreign powers. Once the US pulls out of Afghanistan, Karzai will soon suffer the same fate as Najibullah did.

 

The Alliance will stay in Afghanistan for as long as it is needed . Probably for another 20 years or even more if need be .

 

Actually this is true. Taliban asked for evidence in order to handover OBL on several occasions even after the bombings starts in month of October. They want evidence in order to gave up OBL. US never provided that. Heck they haven't provided to any country this date. FBI position is very clear on that matter. OBL is still not wanted by them for 9-11. According to FBI they don't have any evidence to link 9-11 to OBL.

Here is part of the statement given by Taliban Ambassador on September 14, 2001

source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/14/september11.usa29

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/14/afghan.denial/

CNN on September 18 2001

source http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/18/afghan.taliban/

Bush's response on October 14 2001.

Did USA followed its own Procedure for extradition from the States?

 

Yes you are right but what would you say if someone who abuses any other religion like Christianity or Hinduism or Jews.

Would your reaction be the same ?

 

Yeah, I have done that myself

 

People who get upset over that are usually dense themselves.

 

Unlikely we'd employ rules used to retrieve tax evaders to deal with a guy that commits acts of war, esp w/ the Taliban. Just a bunch of primitive thugs, not a duly constituted government, and apparently so dense they mistook a demand for a request. Then they assumed the response to that error would be a strongly worded letter. Instead they got to wave to Special Forces over their shoulders as they hauled butt out the back door.

They were pretty much being ignored prior to that, but harboring people that do us harm wasn't a very profitable career move.

 

It was mention by a ex-terrorist on CNN yesterday that al-Qaida expected 200 cruise missiles to be fired at them for the events of 9/11 . And that they where shocked when they saw that a full fledged war was launched and that they have to come face to face whit the Delta Force , SEAL , SAS , US Rangers and Allied Armored Divisions .

 

sucks to be al queda

 

mulla omar was more busy is destroying the Budda at Bamiyan and criticizing Bill Clinton on Monica affair.

ya thats right violence are for pussies. i hope you understand the difference between self-defense and violence.

 

The conversation is academic. I would imagine that many of those Taliban who decided this would blow over(chuckle) are dead. The new and growing Taliban will likely not have a part in the leadership of Afghanistan for the next decade without negotiating with NATO/US. In my opinion, the US should make up its mind quickly to either A) build a plan and a road map with a 20 year military commitment to the region(including Pakistan), or B) pull out ground forces and go to a purely drone based air harassment strategy to make Afghanistan ungovernable and start off by napalming all the poppy fields. All of them.

Option A is what we did in WWII and is the only true way to end this engagement with what most in the US would consider a desirable outcome. Option B is cheap and could probably do a reasonable job at preventing terrorist training camps, though I would guess the Taliban would live like animals under an umbrella missile fire for a century before accepting a reasonable ceasefire agreement.

Either way, considering the cost of the Iraq war came out to $709 Billion, less than what Obama spent on "Stimulus", either solution seems doable, perhaps even affordably. I have a hard time understanding why we don't take down the poppy fields right now. It would be the end of the lion's share of the Taliban cash supply.

 

Option B is not much of an option it would be looked upon like new Vietnam and all the blood you guys and us left there will be for nothing , I don't know how you feel but I lost two friends in that place and I will not recommend that we chicken out .

What we need to do is help the Afghans change their country . Creating security and implement free obligatory school will leave the Talibans stranded . Who wants to kill himself when he can have the comfort of a loving family and the fulfillment of a decent job ?

 

they were shocked and now relieved as US pulled back compromising on their own stated goal.

 

Pulled back from where ? All operational theaters still have troops in place . In Iraq it is just a political masquerade that the troops where pulled out . You don't leave 50.000 troops in place for "observational role" .

 

That works fine in dreams and if all other Afghans are good and receptive to the idea of civilization. Still, that leaves lot many gaps making it easy for Talibanis to make a comeback given the predominant islamic nature of the society and the mullas who still survive.

You are mistaken by a mile. Their main cash supply is from the clandestine Pakistan. Strangle that, and you will win the war.

Can you refute that a good percentage of this is spent against US forces by Talibanis? I would plainly agree with your admission that your post is The conversation is academic than calling spade a spade.

 

I wish this were true. FYI, numbers count only as long as you are pursuing the mission. What use having troops of even 500,000 there if political direction is other way round?

US is apparently bruised before the last bullet is shot, may be more because of problems and changes back home than war scare, but the fact is still that they have begun to pull back, no matter if it is in steps. Now, they have created a situation where they can expect a bigger stronger demon.