Can you live off article directory submissions?

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by tong1991, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. #1
    I'm wondering this myself.

    As Eben Pagan says, marketing is 3 parts:

    content
    conversion
    traffic

    Let's assume that you have your site up and running, that's the content and conversion out of the way, at least for now. So concentrate on the traffic.

    I personally find that articles on ezinearticles.com are the most highly converting.

    After submitting the article, there is a big "kick" of traffic that soon dies down very quickly. But in the long term, I still get people visiting my articles and buying, even several months later, even a year later.

    So, what do you think is the minimum no. of articles you need to submit every day to live off it?

    Is 10 articles per day, every day, enough to live on? What do you think? I might try this experiment.
     
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  2. Royce22

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    10 articles a day is very good but articles can't just be your only form of marketing you have to use other things as well forums, video, blogging, social media posting ads
     
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    I don't know, I actually know people who make a living purely from articles. I've personally tried forum marketing & it was more work than good.

    I think forum marketing should be used for backlinks more so than pure cash - video is great for pure traffic, blogging is excellent.

    Just keep researching on multiple marketing methods and see what works for you.
     
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    Yes, to answer your question, but you would have to be a prolific writer/submitter. There's an old thread on this forum that talks briefly about the 2 top writers on Ezine and how they make 5 figures monthly from their articles. It's near the last 2 pages

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=739772
     
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    Thanks raycer43 for sharing the link

    Yes living off articles is possible but you should be able to churn out new articles in different niches day after day. Its definitely hard work...

    Regards,
    Anup
     
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  6. tong1991

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    Thanks for the share.
    I also think that you have many ways to bring their message to people, not marketing the site with large, you can find a topic "hot" at present, it will for other people feel like reading, please post it to forum, blog where you think someone will need it.
     
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    Its a lot of work if your up for it. Goodluck!
     
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    it all depends on the quality of your content, how well you market those articles, and the niche they are in.
     
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    the best should be being able to spread your link without any effort... something like get branded with your link, no matter what kind of activity you are engaged in while surfing...
     
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    but living alone from writing wont work much
     
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    You wouldn't be able to produce enough articles to "live off of it" in a single day. At least not for a while. Article marketing, as you mentioned, has a burst of traffic, but then dies down after a few days. This burst is typically no more than 20 users, and might bring in 5 per month later on down the road. We're not talking a lot of traffic here, just good targetted stuff that will hopefully convert for you.

    Other avenues should be taken to further increase daily traffic. I don't think article marketing should be the only thing listed on your marketing plan.
     
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    Nobody here really knows if one can live off article marketing when submitting to article networks (article dumpers).

    Making a sale or two every now and then, yes, this is, of course, possible.
     
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  13. famous2313

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    I agree if you want to make some extra income a month and still

    at your job then article marketing alone can be good but if you

    want to make a real living from home then you have to add other

    forms of traffic too. (ppc, seo, blogging, web 2.0, press release etc)
     
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    Once you find a good converting program, you will want to outsource your articles. Then move on to the next. If you keep that up then you could be able to live off the profits.

    Hope that helps.
    Kevin
     
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  15. Canonical

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    For what it's worth...

    IMO one would be foolish to build a business web site using only article submissions as their link development strategy. You have all of your eggs in one basket.

    What if Google suddenly decides that they don't like people spamming article submission sites to get backlinks (as they've done with almost every other abused link development method)? They change their algorithm to devalue all outbound links from known directory submission sites and WHAM! You have no back links in their eyes and you disappear from the SERPs. You are effectively out of business and having to start over almost as a new site trying to rank again by getting some other types of links.

    You want to have a diverse backlink profile so that changes to their algorithm that affect a particular type of link doesn't destroy your rankings. It's the same concept as having a diverse stock portfolio. Articles submissions, directory submissions, forum posts w/ sigs, blog commenting w/ sigs, etc. are all 'ok' links when you are first trying to get a new site's pages to rank. But they are kind of mickey mouse, cheesie methods of 'farming' backlinks.

    As the previous posters have noted their affects are frequently short lived, which means you have to keep doing it just to maintain your current rankings. For example, once your article moves off of the recent articles list and gets buried in the article submission site's archives, it provide much less traffic and PR to the page it links to. Same with blog posts when they move off the blog home page and get buried in their archives.

    These same cheesie methods of 'farming' links are also likely to continue being targets of algorithm changes since they are abused frequently. If they continue to be abused then Google will likely change their algorithm at some point to devalue them.

    Long term you want 'real' backlinks that are acquired naturally without you having to perform the tasks of article submission, directory submissions, posting on forums and blogs, etc. You do this by 'marketing' your site. You have to build a brand... make a name for your site as an authority on whatever it is you are marketing. Once you reach a certain critical mass it's a snowball affect and sites will just start linking to your without having to 'farm' links.

    It's getting there that is the challenge... There are LOTS of ways for getting inbound links from relevant sites... But you have to be creative. Real link building requires marketing skills, not technical skills. That is why 98% of the SEOs out there suck at link building...

    The technical SEO is always looking for some algorithmic method of obtaining inbound links... a tool to do directory submission... auto blog posting... coming up with the next link exchange ploy... etc. These types of link building strategies frequently become the target of Google's anti-spam teams algorithm changes because they are easily detected by Google either via an automated or manual review of the the site.

    The marketing SEO looks for complimentary businesses (non-competitors) from which to obtain relevant links and then comes up with ways to convince those sites it is valuable to their site visitors to have a link to your site... This requires a different type of creativity and salesmanship that most technical SEOs do not possess. It is very rare that any of these links would be targeted by algorithm changes since there is no 'SEO footprint', they are one way links, and they are grown naturally over time... not at a rate of 25 submissions per day!

    The links
     
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    It's true that the more differing methods of traffic generation that you use, the higher chance of success you have.

    However, for me article marketing is still the number one process i always start with.

    i guess it depends how much you need to "live off", but yeah definitely if you have a good landing page and you are providing quality content in your articles and your keywords are well researched, along with PPC this is the most targeted traffic you will get...and that's what you want!

    I once read Bum marketing's Travis say that each article he now writes, he considers as $20 in FUTURE income. Obviously, not every article you write will be a hit, some articles may produce 100 visitors to your site and 25 sales, other articles no visitors and no sales...but if you look at this methodology and can write and provide as good content as Travis, this is essence ($20 x 10 articles a day) = $200 a day!

    If Only it were that easy!!! LOL!!
     
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    I highly doubt article marketing is going to take a turn for the worst. Sites like Slashdot, digg, and eZine feed off article marketing and tend to provide reliable and valuable content, that is what makes them successful
     
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    as people say I will have to agree, don't put all your eggs in one basket

    try to diversify your link building (building content on your site, directories, forum signatures, social bookmarks, articles, paid links etc)
     
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    1 article per day for a sinlge site is good enough
     
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