Can you get pagerank without any backlinks?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by Maline, Apr 12, 2005.

  1. #1
    Is it possible you get a pagerank without anyone linked to your site but you are indexed?
     
    Maline, Apr 12, 2005 IP
  2. dirtdog1960theone

    dirtdog1960theone Active Member

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    Don't think so. From what I have read, links is what defines pagerank.
     
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  3. justtara

    justtara Peon

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    Are just looking at the PR number or actualy search results?

    I bet it's possible if the site was submited through google, didn't have a lot of competion, and had good titles and content.
     
    justtara, Apr 12, 2005 IP
  4. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    No, it isn't. But google doesn't show all backlinks, so you can get PR without having any back links that show.
     
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  5. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Pagerank has nothing to do with content. It is determined by links.

    Submitting directly to google doesn't give you any benefit in PR or search results. Titles and content do play a factor in search rankings, and Pagerank also helps.
     
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  6. Christopher

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    A site can also pick up pr from a redirect, or at least mimic the redirects pr. There are also some tricky ways to fake pr. ie: if you're buying a site with pr, that doesn't have any backlinks, investigate well and be wary.

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  7. Texacola

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    I was hugely surprised to see a friends site I'd setup two years ago now has a PR2. I did a lot of checks and can only find 6 links to the page. Not one has it's own PR showing.

    So there has to be some sort of aging factor as well that contributes to PR.
     
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  8. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    No.

    You either didn't find the contributing links or you forgot that a PR0 is not a PR0.000000 per se. Maybe you also overlooked internal PR passthru.

    On top of that, the toolbar can be random at times as well.
     
    T0PS3O, Apr 13, 2005 IP
  9. fryman

    fryman Kiss my rep

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    Post the URL and I'll bet we can find many more
     
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  10. mcfox

    mcfox Wind Maker

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    I read a similar(ish) question on another forum where someone was amazed that a site had a PR5 "with no backlinks". Turned out the site had about 20,000 ... lol.
     
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  11. seo_expert

    seo_expert Well-Known Member

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    PR is mostly determind by Links..no onpage factor contributes to PR

    Content does figure in while summing PR factors..

    But w/t links PR is not possible..
     
    seo_expert, Apr 13, 2005 IP
  12. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    #12
    >>PR is mostly determind by Links

    No, PR is 100% determined by links, content does not contribute at all.
     
    MattUK, Apr 13, 2005 IP
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    onestop Well-Known Member

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    #13
    Two sentences, opposite meanings, in one post. Content is a part of on page optimization, and it has nothing to do with PR.

    exactly...

    No offense to you seo_expert or anybody else, but is your username just a coincidence or do you work as a professional seo consultant?
     
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  14. Maline

    Maline Peon

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    Im just wondering, my feeling says that isnt possible... the pagerank should have started somewhere?
     
    Maline, Apr 13, 2005 IP
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    MattUK Notable Member

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    What's the URL?
     
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  16. Maline

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    It isnt about a website, Im just wondering I mean the pagerank must have been started somewhere?
     
    Maline, Apr 13, 2005 IP
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    Ajeet Well-Known Member

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    I could be wrong about this, but I think that PR can be obtained without backlinks. Here is my purely untested theory:

    All pages have some natural PR (this is the basis of my theory, actually). Usually this PR is a small fraction (< 1) and reflects as no PR. But, if a site has many pages in the index, and each one links to some central page (say, the index page), then they might all contribute adequate small fractions for the index page to have a PR > 1.

    What do you think?

    Ajeet
     
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  18. akeeldin

    akeeldin Guest

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    If you're so inclined, you can read about it in Larry Page and Sergey Brin's original idea for Google. Their Computer Science Department paper titled 'The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine' is at:

    http(colon)//www-db.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html

    Pretty interesting reading.
     
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  19. ScottDaMan

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    Well, getting a site INDEXED in google requires at least one backlink so the googlebot can find you. As far as I can tell, google ignores all submissions anyway. Maybe I'm wrong?
     
    ScottDaMan, Apr 13, 2005 IP