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Can you get me Top 10 rank in 7 days?

Discussion in 'Services' started by www.e-booked.com, Mar 1, 2005.

  1. Weirfire

    Weirfire Language Translation Company

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    #21
    I suppose it might be worth it for someone who is holding an event and doesnt care about the long term position of their site.
    SEMrush
     
    Weirfire, Mar 2, 2005 IP
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    dfsweb Active Member

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    #22
    Ok, Let me rephrase what I said ..... It's not possible to get someone up to the top 10 for a competitive keyphrase unless the site has a high PR. A new site will have PR0 which won't go up until the next update.

    It is quite tough to get to top 10 for a competitive term unless you point hundreds of links with the proper anchor text to the site (which is what Shawn might attempt to do by pointing his co-op weight to the site for a few days).

    i.e: You might be able to get to the top 10 by (As an example):
    1. Either getting 10 PR6 links and waiting for the update
    2. Or getting 1,000 BLs with the proper anchor text without having to wait fot a PR update

    If a person promises to get you to the top 10 in a week (for a competitive term) ..... the only way that can be done is by getting hundreds of BLs to your site. The person making the promise obviously has access (direct or indirect) to quite a few pages where your link will be placed. I doubt if the link provided to you would be a permanent one and that your "top 10" rankings would stick around once the payment is made.
     
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    l234244 Peon

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    #23
    I disagree, not all sites ranking for competitive keywords will have a high PR. High PR is mostly gained from getting high PR links. 4-5 PR9 links should get your a PR8 but that does not mean you will rank for casino or other compeitive keyword because the currently ranked one site is only a PR7. Someone can easily rank with a PR4 or PR5 which has hundreds or even a thousand low PR links
     
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    #24

    Most good seo people charge that much ($200) an HOUR)

    You get what you pay for. Remember that.
     
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    #25
    I never said that PR was the only thing that matters, but I did say (and I repeat) that it is exptremely tough to get to the top 10 for competitive terms without having a high PR. There are heaps of other considerations including keyword density, title tags, anchor text of incoming BLs, number of IBLs, outgoing links and many more.

    But, a new site would have a PR0 and if someone is ready to get a new site into the top 10 for as little as $50, I highly doubt if it will stick to the top 10 once the payment is made.

    Anybody can point advertising weight to a site to temporarily achieve high rankings but they won't be permanent.

    Read my post. That's exactly what I said! :D
     
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    #26

    I don't know how many times it has been said but PR has absolutely nothing to do with the search engine results pages. PR is updated all the time by Google but just isn't displayed in the toolbar.

    Get some good content in your site, get tonnes of links and then you may rank well on the search engines. Nothing to do with PR updates dfsweb. Ask around and you'll find this is what the experts are saying.
     
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    #27
    "The experts" can believe what they want to. Nobody can confirm how Google really works. My "beliefs" are based on experimental data collected over a few months for four websites (both new and old).

    BLs and anchor text do affect SERPS and rankings are updated on a regular basis but the big jumps in SERPs only happen when Google updates the PR which is only done once in three months.

    I could go into detailed explanation of how it's not feesible to update PR "on the fly". But, here's the summary. PR is calculated over quite a few iterations to get the proper PR value. If you have a billion records of data (or more) and you try and perform calculations on all these records, where the value of each record depends on other records (You need to know the PR of the linking pages to calculate PR) ....... you are looking at a lot of server power and resources .... which is why PR MUST BE calculated on a duplicate database and not the live database.

    Moreover, this process is not something that can be performed at the click of a button. If you have ever tried working with a database containing even a few thousand records you will understand the magnitude of this task.

    Evidence: Whenever Google updates, the pages that are affected by the update are the ones added to a website UP TO around 3-4 weeks before the actual update. This means that the Google guys must make a copy of the database, work on the update and perform rigorous testing before that d/b goes live. Then, the database is applied one by one on all the datacentres with each datacentre tested ..... which is why all datacentres don't update at the same time.

    Give me an example (just one will be enough) :)
     
    dfsweb, Mar 2, 2005 IP
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    l234244 Peon

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    #28
    Keyword "casino" - Competition approximately 129 million - Number one ranked site www.casino.com is PR5.

    Questions,
    1.Do you consider "casino" to be a competitive keyword?
    2.Is PR5 a high PR based on the PR scale zero 0-10?

    I rest my case,

    Oh, and thx for the bad reputation points I gave u some aswell :)
     
    l234244, Mar 3, 2005 IP
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #29
    All I can say: don't come crying here when you get screwed ;)
    Even though 50 bucks is kinda cheap compared to what some are paying to learn their lesson.
     
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    #30
    I'd say for $50 put them to the test for a hardcore HARD TERM.

    If they can do it for $50, you can probably make $10,000 in a day for some markets. I can't see it possible in a week for that price. But Cloakers will do their thing so you never know:)
     
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    SEbasic Peon

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    #31
    Cloaking isn't used to get high results on ultra competitive phrases.

    It's used en mass...
     
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    #32
    whats cloaking
     
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    #34
    Yes, I consider Casino to be a competitive keyword. If you have a look at the top 10 results, most of the sites are PR5 or PR6, so the PR5 for Casino.com is high enough to get into the top 10 (It's not PR0 that a new site would be).

    And, for the last $#%^@$% time, I never said that PR was the only thing that mattered. I said that it is a VERY important factor in calculating SERPs. A new site would need hundreds or thousands of BLs if it wanted to get into this top 10 within a week (Without waiting for the BL update).

    Finally, there was a PR update at the beginning of last month but the toolbar hasn't been updated since then, although it will be updated very soon (one of these days). Casino.com might just be a PR6 for all you know, as the toolbar PR (as you might know) is not the same as the real PR used for calculating SERPs.

    Don't know what you are talking about?!! :rolleyes:
     
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    #35
    You're wrong and you mention it yourself. Links is the VERY important factor. Not PR. And your backlink update comment implies that rankings will change the minute the update comes through. Wrong again.

    To rank high you don't need high PR at all. You need tons of links. That, eventually, will result in high(er) PR but it's not the PR that decides the ranking. The links and their anchor text decide the ranking and - let me borrow your words here - , for the last $#%^@$% time, NOT PR!

    The coop is a great example. Tons of links, most low PR. I am #1 on loads of phrases and on loads of PR2-4 pages.
     
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    #36
    I will apologise if it was not you but it seems funny that it was left soon after your disagreeing post.

    On a side note, three people have now disagreed with your posts so it seems that your need to rethink what you post in relation to offering good advice and advice which is blatantly incorrect.
     
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    #37
    Wow! I don't think I've been lashed out at by so many people in one thread. "Three people disagree with me" ...... That doesn't make my comments invalid or wrong. I am not forcing anybody to believe what I say or even agree with me, as we all have our own opinions .... but I am just claiming what I believe to be true based on actual data.

    And, let me reiterate what I said in my earlier posts:
    For a new site to do well for a highly competitive term without waiting for a PR update, you will need an insanely high number of BLs (hunderds or thousands) as in this case, your rankings would go up due to the anchor text.

    On the other hand, even if you got a few (dozens) decent PR links and waited for a PR update you could get to a high position without having to get a high number of BLs.

    So, it would be easier (and more permanent) for the guy who started this thread to do it once and do it right, i.e. get some quality BLs and wait for an update.

    One of the factors affecting SERPs is BLs (I never denied this) but the main one IMO is PR. And, anybody who promises top 10 listing for a competitive term within a few days will send a sudden burst of BLs your way by using a link farm of some kind (like the co-op network for example).

    Finally, if I was incorrect about the PR updates then why did everybody see big jumps or drops in SERPs (overnight) in the first week of Feb?? And, mid-November?? It was b'cos there was a PR update. And, if Google are to follow the same quarterly updates, then you will notice big changes again in the first-second week of May. (Please check your KW tracker, if you are using it)

    P.S: I never asked you for an apology (I was being sarcastic) :eek:
     
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    #38
    Just to summarise some of the comments dfsweb has said over the course of this thread:
    Seems to be true until you read the stuff in brackets, since when has the SERPs been dependent on the backlink update? Must be a trade secret.

    This is simply wrong, if you want an example check out the keyword "casino", the number one ranked site is casino.com with a PR5

    Strange I thought that previous comment mentioned that without high PR you aint going to rank in the top 10. So does this mean is matters a little bit or a lot?

    When you give example you normally try to back it up with evidence.

    Care to share your experimental data to backup your claims? I guess your theories on high PR sites ranking well must meen you have some PR7 or PR8 websites ranking for competitive keywords.

    Eh? why would we want to know that?
     
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    #39
    Show me some charts please where this is true. I have never seen this for myself.

    You seem to think that the PR/BL Update is the magical moment where everything changes. Rankings have changed long before that.

    The PR & BL Updates that you get to see are nothing but a "Hey look everybody, we ran some analysis on the index and here are our findings!". From my experience, they have nothing to do with ranking. The newly found BL's are added into the equation long before they make the updates.

    PR & BL Updates have nothing to do directly with algo changes either.

    You seem obsessed with this prediction of future updates as well. I couldn't care less because I know my efforts will pay off long before that. Since having FireFox I don't even know the PR of my sites anymore and my rankings are still increasing pretty much all the time.

    The BL Updates are nonsense as well. People build links and it drops. What does that tell you? That it's bollocks. I was planning making a script that analyses your Google page and BL counts. It will ask yuo for your domain and then reporst a random number back. That's pretty much how Google reports. My advice: stop listening to what G tells you. You will do better without.
     
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    #40
    It had nothing to do with the PR "Update"...

    It was an algo update....
    These are seperate things.

    The PR that we see is out of date at best, and seriously misleading at worst...

    Although PR is still a factor within the Google algo, regardless as to when it is updated, it is always being taken into account at the Google end of things.

    The PR we see is only for Public Relations...
     
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