Can we trust in criticism of the bible?

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    Can we or should we believe that it might be word of God?
     
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  2. sebastya

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    why would you not believe the Bible?
     
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  3. Rick_Michael

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    Now I'm not going to literally quote that everything is true in there, but there's substantial evidence that the exodus did occur in almost the same fashion it was said to happen.

    But faith is faith...
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    We can question the bible, which is natural, and if we are real seekers we find the truth in it always continuing.
    We can not critisice the Bible though.
     
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    it depends. if you think the bible is not infallible, then I believe God gave you the free will to question anything in it.
     
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    Personally I place the bible in the same category as other mythology... Greek, Norse, Roman gods etc... But anyway.

    Of course you can trust in criticism of anything, as long as you don't take it on face value and actually try to understand the message being conveyed.

    And that works both ways.
     
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  7. Rick_Michael

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    Ahh, the point which some people don't seem to realize. Intergrating honestly....what a concept!?
     
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  8. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    I don't think so, i think they found a scroll that mentioned a slave uprising that wasn't even dated to the same time period as moses.
     
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    Keep the Bible words in your brain! Then you will got full peaceful life!
    Your life will be full of love....
    You must remember that Elohim give His Son to save our soul just because of He love us much more than we think.
    God be praised, NOW and FOREVER !
     
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    i don't think we were meant to take what is said in the bible litterly but to belive in the message that the bible conveys
     
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    #11
    I do .. I believe that it is word of God ....
     
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    mistermix Active Member

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    It is a book like any other. Words written by humans.
     
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    As do I believe it is God's word. But we were created with the capacity to decide for ourselves, and to question, and so we should. Hey, even the Bible itself encourages its readers to keep testing to ensure that it is indeed true
     
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    They don't know the exact time of mose....it's all estimations. There's multiple 'scroll-like' info documenting the events similiar to the stories of the bible's exodus. All of the them occur around 1500

    Many say that Moses was living during the pharoah of Ramnes (sp?), but it much more likely that he was a live under the pharoah of AdMoses (which literally means the brother of moses). Durning that time a volcano erupted in southern Europe, which had notable effects on the earth....many of those events happened around the same time of Admoses (sp?) reign....
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    like what? post a link?

    did the angel of death come and take all the first born?

    All that stuff is just fairy tales, I don't even think there is any proof moses existed, is there?

    Do any of the eygptian records mention the plagues? They must mention some plaques don't they? They were pretty advanced culture they kept records.
     
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    I have a question for those who don't believe the Bible is true.

    Most books are written have an agenda. Either to boost someone's ego or to make money. There may be more agenda's but that's pretty much it. However, what is the agenda of the Bible? Some say it is for control. If so, who is in control or wants to control? Some say it's a fairy tale. If so, what is the purpose of the Bible if it is all fairy tales?

    I would like to read people's opinions of this and hopefully without the aggression that has been seen in other threads. Surely, there can be a peaceful discussion?

    Col :)
     
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  17. Rick_Michael

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    I was watching a documentary. Generally your refering to a couple things...one is the Stella, which is stone that documents a mose-like event. Then there's a stone that goes from the egpyt pharaoah's point of view, which is simliar in nature.

    Then there's mulitple historical accounts of simliar events during that same time. No link, sorry. It was a history channel documentary...questioning whether the Exodus was at all real or not.
    They scientifically demonstrated a rather interesting theory. A volcano erupted around the period in which Moses was said to given the pharoah a demand of freeing his people.

    Occurence in the past demonstrate that volcanoes tend to open up carbon dioxide deposits in water bed....if those lakes have a form of copper (I believe), a chemical reaction turns the lake red....just like in the bible. A recent (ie within 60 years) occurence let out enough carbon dioxide that it poisoned and killed locals sleeping in the town close to the release. These people were very close to floor and died like a person committing suicide in their garage.

    Likewise, pharoahs and families in ancient egpyt put their male children in low baskets (to sleep), while their daughters would sleep in elevate arrangements. They have found mass graves of young male children as well...although in Eygpt they're very restrictive on letting people look at things which might imply the 'jews' have some sort claim. In fact, they open an area up to look at it and then they put a farm on it every couple of seasons....that area is suggested to have a wealth of information.

    The explosion of Sarafine (ie the volcano), explains quite a bit. The darkness over Egypt, the locusts, the disease, and the frogs moveing on land...darkness from the volcano, locust moving due to the volcano explosion, disease due to the chemical mix in the water which bring local life to the surface. Many of these occurences where spoken of in documents, and there's a sort rationale to them

    Even the splitting of the REED sea...notice I didn't say red sea, because that's a misinterpetion of the bible. Their used be a body of water that divided Egpyt and the Saudi's, but current bodies of water have been made by men to change this around. People spoke of the water reseding in that area....this also could be due to volanic behaviour. It would have reseded for a while and came back like a tsunami.

    What they call danittes in lower europe, where said to be found with egyptian treasures. The dans where said to be people whom guarded the commandments. Upon the grave of these people, whom could have been Moses followers, there lied pictures, which we're never translated or complete undestood. But, when the documentary people laid out a realistic graphic of how they looked when but up straight...it showed a scenario of a man on a carriage chasing a man between waves of water...and at the end the man turns around and the waves reside on the man with the chariot.
     
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    Well, some people assert there was more to the gospel, but the catholic church (they say) has hidden those documents for some reason. I think that's a bold assertion, but I personally know nothing to say that is something to believe in.
     
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    I think the bible and religion in general stem for superstition, in early times man couldn't explain things with science so people made up stories based on different things to explain the un-explainable

    Shared belief in different legends created bonds between men, which increased his chance of survival. These bonds made men stonger because they worked in a group, but also made them more controlable, which bad people have exploited since the beginning.

    To allow the church to control people of course, it wasn't that long ago that the church had soldiers and an army at its command. Religion today isn't like what it was a couple thousand years ago.

    A lot of the stories in the new testament that are good examples to live by etc, but the old testament was off the hook.
     
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    Who ever wrote the bible wrote it in good faith, humans were less enlightened at that time. A blief in a higher being that created the world was the norm at the time, as normal as the sun shining in the sky.
     
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