Can we question their patriotism now?

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  1. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #81
    Freedom of speech in particular political speech is one of the most important freedoms we have. I defend everyone’s freedom of speech regardless of if I agree with it or not. I am sorry you feel the need to sacrifice it so you feel safer hiding behind the flag does not give you or anyone else the right to take away our god given rights or freedoms
    i gave you two links to see how republican or conservetives feel about this


    I also discussed what he said and I feel there is nothing unpatriotic about it anti bush maybe

    you said his party when i asked you but i see you corrected yourself
    You seem to have missed the last few years and the fact that the Iraq war is botched with almost no interference by democrats. Look around to see the people responsible for the defeat. they should be replaced they did not have a correct nderstanding of the situation were not willing to listen and take advice and could be wrong again there is nothing to dispute these facts
    we should not have had so much problem there if we had not made so many mistakes

    just so there is no mistake i never had nor have at this time any objection to removal of saddam. i belive that he atleast had capability of having chemical weapons and was a dictator and had to be removed. my objection is what is happenning here at home and how we are losing our freedoms. and also to the conduct of war and lack of planning
    i also feel that current govt of iran has to be changed but think that any kind of hostility toward them is counterproductive
    i feel we have to support and encourage change from within.

    pizza is love i have nothing but love for you
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #82
    I can't help but wonder if you just sit and type, making things up when you post. Your arguments have no cohesion at all and seem to drift from one thing to another to another.

    Now I understand where you are coming from. You are a self-loather on behalf of your country as well. Blame America first. Where you are coming off on "freedoms" and "conduct of war" is anyone's best guess. Just inserting moonbatism for affect?

    Bottom line is, Kerry belittled America in front of a foreign audience, including some that are considered enemies of our country by saying we (do I include you as part of that we???) were a pariah. He goes on to lie with:

    Yet he was one of 95 senators who voted against it before President Clinton signed the treaty. Bush has done a hell of a lot more than for aids in Africa than Clinton ever did.

    But honestly, it doesn't matter. Now that I understand you live and breathe for loathing about America, it's no wonder you would step up to the plate to defend him. You are as big a part of the problem as he is.

    Duly noted, you prefer treason and our political leaders bashing America.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #83
    you want to call a us senator and the biggest party in us unpatriatic because they don't like the policies of the president and say so.
    i love america but not the one that you promote but the one that stands for freedom justice democracy fair play the one that is admired not feared
    i bet you sat and hated clinton blindly for 8 years and now support bush blindly. you seem to accept torture snooping and sufficating opposition ideas.
    where are the american values
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #84
    One of the proofs that we are going in the wrong direction is suffocation of democracy in Russia return of Noriega chives the closeness of Mexican election
    We have abounded our principal and it is affecting the whole world
    Do you really feel safer
    We no longer can object when other countries arrest their citizens for political reasons or torture them
    Hell we even send people there to be tortured.
    I just don't like what has been done to my country but I love my country
    Read the links that I posted before so you will see what I mean
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #85
    So what you are saying then, is that the best representation kerry and the democrat party can offer America is to go overseas in the presence of some of our enemies and bash America? And on top of it, lie about it when doing it as well? That's *your* brand of "loving America?"

    Just want to make sure. Is that what you are asserting?
     
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  6. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #86
    i am saying the best we can do is go back to our basic values that had made us a symbol of freedom and the most respected rather than the policies that are making us the most feared country in the world
    one of them is that a senator or anyone else can disagree with our government without his patriotisim come in question
     
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  7. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #87
    He wasn't disagreeing, he was bashing America on foreign soil among an audience that included some of our enemies. That is not disagreement, it is aid and comfort. On top of it, uttering deliberate lies. This is not patriotism and it is not questioning government policy. You do those on American soil and not in the form of bashing America.

    At least you admit this is the kind of crap you stand for :rolleyes:
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #88
    patriotism - devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

    You tell me, is "bashing one's country" part of that definition? Can we question his patriotism? Yeah, we've been questioning it since kerry committed treason during the 70s.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #89
    i give up i gess i can not defox you after so many years thank god that most of people do not agree with you and are demanding a change. get ready you must live with a democrat president for a long time hopefully edwards
     
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  10. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #90
    You only assume that most people do support treason and political leaders bashing their country on foreign soil during a time of war, because that's what you stand for yourself.

    Speaking of John Edwards, in response to finding out that kerry met with the enemy (unauthorized, while still a duly sworn officer of the Navy) to discuss terms of surrender with the North Vietnamese, Edwards said:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6420967/site/newsweek/
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    i just want to repeat that your attack on kerry because of what he said in switzerland is against what i feel is his freedom of speech.
    this is was done to almost anyone that have questioned any of the president's actions and prevented an honest discussion about iraq war in 2003
    that is why we are talking about it now and it has been a disservice to our nation we must allow the freedom of speech and flow of ideas to be able to find the best solutions to our problem. sometimes these ideas we disagree with but expressing them without fear of attack is one of most basic advantage of our system
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #92
    kerry is, unfortunately, an elected representative of the USA. They are held to higher standards and hiding behind "freedom of speech" as a shield doesn't cut it.

    He should be held accountable and responsible for the aid and comfort he provided and the lies in which he uttered to do so.
     
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    Bottom line is that you are trying to limit the freedom of speech and I try to promote freedom of speech. I am against any limitation to freedom of speech especially political speech , as much as possible
    I think my approach is more grounded in constitution than yours and a true conservative position
     
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    #94
    have you noticed how most of the people that agree with you use the same words like appeasement aid and comfort the enemy Islamo fascist and like although they were not commonly used before
    have you ever wondered why
     
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  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #95
    The bottom line is, you prefer your elected officials to bash your country on foreign soil and lie in the commission of giving aid and comfort. Using "freedom of speech" as your shield and hiding behind the constitution.

     
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    #96
    what he said does not undermine the military and does not damage the morale stop hiding behind the troops waving the flag while walking on the constitution please
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #97
    It very much serves to undermine our country when a duly elected officer/representative of the USA calls our country a "pariah" amongst world leaders, some of which are enemies of our country. And to lie on top of it.

    But, that's the sort of thing you support of our elected officials. :rolleyes:

    If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. What have you fallen for today?
     
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    #98
    It is a disgrace that you try to associate yourself with honorable soldiers who do their duty honorably in order to gain respectability for your support of rapists and murders. Those people were, are and always be a disgrace to a uniform and shame on you to try to portray those people and your brand of ideology as anything but criminal thoughts and actions. :mad:
     
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    first i repeat myself we are not at war with any of those countries
    second is maybe you should try to find what have happened to our reputation
    and most important , specially now that we are facing difficult choices we must try our best not to lose our freedoms and protect our constitution because we are scared
    has any heavyweight conservetive or republicans discussed this somewhere? not a neocons since i really don't like them.
     
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  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #100
    Here we go again :rolleyes:

    It's a shame that you convict soldiers before they have a trial, but demand innocense until a conviction for terrorists and even start threads to seek sympathy for members of al qaida.

    And *still* not a bad word for a terrorist. If you put even an ounce of energy that you spend defending terrorists, attacking America, Christians, Jews and dmoz, you'd have at least a thousand posts here saying something bad about America. And that's just an ounce ;)
     
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