Can Turkey be a model for Islamic countries?

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  1. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    #61
    I used the case of Orhan Pamuk as an example regarding freedom of speech and not if Armenian genocide is true or not. That is not the point at hand Leet. But you very well know that! Orhan Pamuk was almost going to jail and only because your government wants to be a part of the European union Orhan Pamuk was lucky not to be thrown in jail.

    That is exactly what freedom of speech is about, to write and speak your mind. If it's true is another discussion but that is not important concerning freedom of speech.

    Thank you for admitting and proving my point about your government suppressing the media if they feel like it when they are criticized.

    Oh well, i got it from a Turkish proverb collection, you get the message ;)

    The man in question is Orhan Pamuk Leet not Orhanius Pamukyan. I don't know who
    that is you are talking about and apparently nobody knows.

    Good luck Leet and may your country be totally FREE one day and enjoy the TOTAL freedom it deserves.
     
    Edz, Nov 18, 2006 IP
  2. leet

    leet Notable Member

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    #62
    Orhanius Pamukyan was just a sarcastic comment..
     
    leet, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #63
    A man must be true to his own conscience.

    This is far more important than whether a man is able to support the actions of his countrymen.
     
    Will.Spencer, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  4. leet

    leet Notable Member

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    #64
    Not when what he is saying is all wrong.
     
    leet, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  5. northpointaiki

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    #65
    According to whom?

    What you are saying is all wrong.

    Do you have the right to say it?

    What constitutes "denigrating Turkishness?"
     
    northpointaiki, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #66
    We have plenty of that here in the US. People betray their country all the time without even giving it a second thought. Four year patriotism. Sometimes it seems like selling out your country is as popular and fashionable as ringtones.
     
    GTech, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  7. leet

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    #67
    Yes I do have. According to Ottoman Empire's historical archives and fear of Armenia about releasing their historical archives. If they had real proofs, why would they be afraid of releasing them?
     
    leet, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  8. Blogmaster

    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #68
    Turkey is using common sense in addition to the Quaran, but they are still long ways away from being a model.
     
    Blogmaster, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  9. northpointaiki

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    #69
    Even if you are wrong.

    Yet, you're view of someone else's right to speak out: Does he have the right?

    Your stance is unsupportable.
     
    northpointaiki, Nov 19, 2006 IP
  10. mk++

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    #70
    Originally Posted by Leet
    In my opinion Orhanius Pamukyan is the worst stateless I've ever seen.

    By the way, in Turkey most people don't want EU..

    yes me too

    orhan is spy on turkey and anyone say not blieve

    leet burdadamı gorcektım seni:D
     
    mk++, Nov 22, 2006 IP
  11. Will.Spencer

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    #71
    That is irrelevant.
     
    Will.Spencer, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  12. leet

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    #72
    It's exactly relevant. Where someone's freedom ends, there someone else's freedom starts. And someone who owe a lot to his motherland can't insult his country just to seem modern in Europe's eyes.
     
    leet, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  13. Will.Spencer

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    #73
    How exactly is your freedmon encroached upon by allowing someone else to speak?
     
    Will.Spencer, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  14. Shannon 2

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    #74
    its not about looking modern in europes eyes, it is about being able to express privately or publicly your opinions or views without fear
     
    Shannon 2, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  15. leet

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    #75
    That's how they make you see.
     
    leet, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  16. Shannon 2

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    #76
    who is 'they'
     
    Shannon 2, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  17. MattKNC

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    #77
    In that they don't allow Islam to dictate the way the country is run, then the answer is yes. Unfortunately, the country is not that wealthy and is having a difficult time being accepted as a European Union state. Still, I am sure most residents there would prefer living in Turkey vs. the lack of freedoms they would have in a place like Saudi Arabia.
     
    MattKNC, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  18. leet

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    #78
    The press which supports O. Pamuk, the committee who decided Nobel should be Orhan Pamuk's and so on..
     
    leet, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  19. Shannon 2

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    #79
    the press are just people writing their opinion, it is your decision to believe what they are saying or not, it is not your decision to decide who can speak out in public and who can't
     
    Shannon 2, Nov 24, 2006 IP
  20. leet

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    #80
    Depends on what the subject is..
     
    leet, Nov 24, 2006 IP