can someone explain PR to me please

Discussion in 'Google' started by samantha pia, Jan 9, 2005.

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    ok i know i aint so smart, but PR is confusing me, not hard to do i can tell you that much.

    can someone explain PR to me please. google just gave my site PR2 before it was zero.
    my site is not in the top 100 on google yet for the same keywords "sexual health advice" my site is within the top 20 on yahoo lycos msn alta vista jeeves and may others.

    my question is, what is PR? how does it work? what does it do? and does it really matter at all? oh and why does google see my site as a lesser site that all the other search engines?

    thanx in advance sammie x
     
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  2. Dominic

    Dominic Well-Known Member

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    anthonycea Banned

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    Dominic, if she was confused before, can you imagine what she will be after reading that?

    Tell her in your words buddy, you have a way of explaining things real good :)
     
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  4. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    ok i can do sums like 1+1 = 2 and take aways and simple stuff, how to spell a sum aint something i know, (g)=6 g-ex=6 <<<<<WTF is that all about? just to get PR1? i got more chance understanding R2D2 off startrek
     
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    anthonycea Banned

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    You get em Sam, Dominic is just being a bit lazy this morning, he is a sweetheart though Sam and will be back soon with his explanation, just watch and see :p :p :p
     
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    Dominic Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. OK, some pr fundamentals are:

    Every page indexed by Google has a value.
    This value increases when other pages in their index link to it.

    Toolbar Pagerank is scored from 1 to 10 depending on the relationship between all the pages indexed by google.

    A link is like a vote for your page.
    The anchor text of the link and topic of the page further ad to the credaility of the vote.

    Sites which have recieved many votes on a certain topic are given a stronger vote on their topic.
    So, this is why ppl say... get links from sites related to yours or on topic.

    If you go through all the sites listed in your search results, you can sort through all their links pages and pick out:
    The links pages strongly themed (keyword in title, content etc)
    The links pages with high PR
    The links pages with few links on them (internal or external) compared to the next deal

    Compare the compeditor's links pages that way and exchange, beg, steal, buy links from these sites.

    The available PR a page has to offer is divided by the number of links on it, so a link from a pr5 with 20 links on it is worth more to you than one with 120 links on it.

    You can get links from pages or sites completely unrelated to yours but they don't help your search results as much as their vote is not as credible on the topic.

    So, really it doesn't matter if you end up with a pr5 and your compeditor has a pr7, if your links are from sites that are more closely related to the search you are competing on and are from sites more credible on the topic... yours will rank higher.

    Key to PageRank / ranking well: get purpose driven pagerank... keyword / phrase in the anchor text, from sites in your serps

    If you just want a high toolbar pagerank and don't really care where you are in the search results, exchange links with higher pagerank pages, get listed in high pr directories, buy links from unrelated high pr sites, etc.

    Toolbar PR is effected by straight maths of who links to who and who links to them, how pr effects serps depends on all this credability stuff.

    Sites whose PR is going to hop skip and jump next update... red cross, oxfam, world vision etc as tens of thousands of new links have been added to their sites of late from pages all round the world. But they were probably #1 for "red cross" or "oxfam" already... they will get the best boost in "tsunami relief" serps if the anchor text is "tsunami relief" and the links come from sites in the serps for "tsunami relief" and have a stronger pr value etc.
     
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    I told you he could do it Sam :p :p :p
     
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    PageRank is Google's method of giving a numerical value to the number and quality of the links pointing to a web page. The quality of a link is based on the PageRank score of the page on which the link originates divided by the number of links on that same page. So, a link from a page with a modest PageRank score but which contains relatively few links can pass on more PageRank value than a link from a page with a relatively higher PageRank score that contains many links. Each web page's PageRank score is then the approximate sum of the PageRank value of the links pointing to it. The exact formula Google uses for determining PageRank has changed over the years, but the foundation seems to have remained essentially as I describe here.

    The value of PageRank in affecting the ranking of a particular page is still quite high, but not as high as it used to be, which has caused many people to generalize that PageRank is irrelevant or worthless. Within the past couple of years, Google has been giving a great deal of value to the text used within the link's anchor text - that is, the text inserted between the <a> and </a> tags in the HTML code. But since you still need a link to get the value of the anchor text boost, which would also contribute to a page's PageRank score, the two are very connected in the ranking potential of every web page. In the end, while they are distinct ranking factors used by Google, you can't have one without the other.
     
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    wow! where were you when all the heat was on me? nicely put.
     
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    You both did a great job Dominic, RainB needs to post more around here though, seems like an intelligent poster.

    Have you done a introduction thread RainB :confused:
     
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  11. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    see i like them both already, they speak the queens english, thanx guys, and i never knew what anchor txt was untill you said between <a> and </a>. kool now i know, ps whats SERP's???

    oh so google dont rate my site, but i am always in the top 1-5 pages of every other search engine for all the topics and keywords. so i aint sure its matters does it? i mean its only one SE. all the others like me, or my site lol :D
     
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    So the code for a link would be:

    <A HREF="http://www.asksam2.com/">Sexual Health Advice</A>

    To get ranked well for "sexual health advice"
     
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    Dominic,

    Thank you for the fundamentals... it helps and confuses me :confused:

    Tell me if I understood well of if I need more coffee...

    If I'm a mom and pop bank, to get a better pr, I should have links from pr10 banks pages and these pages should have few links. Am I correct?

    But this may affect my visitors behavior if a small guy advertise for its big competitors. Do you have any idea about it?

    When you say to buy these links, where are they for sale?

    Thank you
    Pierre
     
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    Hi and welcome.

    Linking to the big guns is great = if = you can get them to link to you.

    Search engines look at links pages, visitors rarely do.

    Are links for sale from them... I would suggest that you get more experience in webmaster forums and read and learn more before you start buying links. But if I found a site that had the goods over everyone else in the search results I would really want a link from them. I check their site out, see if they have a links page, or I email them directly and ask what 'advertising' on their site costs.

    We don't buy links. but find there a re often many sites other than the 'big guys' who are willing to exchange links.
     
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    Thanks! That was clean and short.

    It seems that relationship is the key.

    Appreciate your comments
    Pierre
     
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    yup but i still dont know what SERP's is/means
     
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    billion G.E.M.

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    SERPs - Search Engine Result Pages.

    The results you see when you make a search in a search engine.

     
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    oh ok kool thanx coz i get great SERP's then on all SE's but google
     
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    Yeah but unfortunately Google will bring you more than most of the others combined. What you need to do is just get more links to your pages from websites that are about your primary topic, in your case "Sexual Health". Also Sam, your internal navigation uses a bunch of images which is fine for the top for visitors, but on the bottom you want to have a duplicate navigation on all pages which is text based and links to each of your internal pages with keywords. So instead of "Home" to link back to your homepage, you would use "Sexual Health from AskSam2 Homepage" so that when Google spiders that link, it knows that your homepage is about "Sexual Health" because the link pointing to it says so. The more links you get from sites that Google considers relevant to your topic, the better off you are. Hope that helps and good luck. If you want to see what I mean about Naivgation, check the site navigation at the bottom of www.heavymusic.com for some ideas. Late.
     
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    ok i looked at that, and it looks good, but would putting things like "other relevent pages" then the links to them, within my own site? would that help? also i cant get any links on other sites, as most of them that cater for the topic i do, most are 18+ only, and they would not link to a site that caters for 13-25 year olds. i have thought about splitting my site in 2 and go for 13-17 and 18+ problem with that is its a lot of work to control, and people can change a DoB to enter either side of the site,

    i would also like to have other medical pages, like mental health for teens, i know that i get a lot that have been abused and cut them self. and i need to find someone/somewhere i can get pages like that from.

    i am trying to cater for an age group thats going through changes and need understanding about that, and need to understand its ok to talk to someone about things they worry about.
    to do that i need my site to reach as many people as i can, to do that, i need google it seems. so any help with getting there as cheap as i can, (my site is free and ad free and will remain so for ever i hope) i would be very greatful.
    sammie xox
     
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