Can I delete the site?

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by Glen, Nov 21, 2006.

  1. #1
    I setup a site for someone on here, who is getting rightly branded as a scammer in the underground forum section.

    The site i setup they did not pay me for like they suggested, but this guy is very newbie to technical things and hasnt changed ftp information. The site has changed only by adding links to other sites. Can i remove the site that i created? its not fair i didnt get paid for my troubles
     
    Glen, Nov 21, 2006 IP
  2. login

    login Notable Member

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    Remove it as soon as possible. Please.
     
    login, Nov 21, 2006 IP
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    thedark Well-Known Member

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    #3
    make a backup and delete the files, then ask him to send you the money first, then you will give the website back
     
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    login Notable Member

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    Ask him to send the double, because of your extra work, be shure to use egold.
     
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  5. akula

    akula Peon

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    You do understand what you are saying here right? You want people to give you the go-ahead to do something blatantly wrong because you feel you may have been wronged and the party in question has maybe a less than desirable reputation.

    You say in your post "did not pay me like they suggested." This to me would mean that you may have thought they may throw money your way or felt you deserved something after the fact. Either way you cannot do one thing then come back over the top demanding money for services that were never expressly agreed upon. And you absolutely cannot justify what you are talking about perpetrating by those terms.

    Oh and for those that are suggesting using blackmail to gain some money from these guys.....LOL, I would say avoid that for sure.
     
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    login Notable Member

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    No, its not blackmailing, its payment for extra work. And if you knew a bit more about that scammer than you obviously do, you would not start to lecture AngelusC on what is right and wrong. In fact you talk just like the scammer.
    And of course, if he dont get payment he can redo his work, thats common sense.
     
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  7. akula

    akula Peon

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    LOL

    I have some electrical work done. The electrician knows I leave my backdoor unlocked when I am away because this is how he gets in. I refuse to pay the guy because I am an ass and he never signed any contract. The electrician breaks into my house and steals all my stuff, calling me saying he will give it back when I pay him............thats blackmail and theft. Him b&e'n into my house and stealing my stuff has nothing to do with the fact that I may or may not owe him money...........he goes to jail.

    But heck do not listen to me, you are getting a lot of good advice here. Hack his server steal his stuff and demand he pay you back money you say you are owed because that is a totally legitimate way to resolve a conflict. /sarcasm :eek:
     
    akula, Nov 22, 2006 IP
  8. Glen

    Glen Peon

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    Shame, your example is nothing like the scenario :eek:

    More like him doing the work, then undoing it ;) , not breaking and theiving

    Please read the thread again
     
    Glen, Nov 22, 2006 IP
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    fathom Well-Known Member

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    An unbias opinion... legally... you would be committing a crime to take any action other than advising the local authorities that an alleged crime has been commited.

    You may indeed "get away with it" but seriously (at the very least) head to a free legal advice forum and ask before taking matters into your own hands without the authority to back you up.
     
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    mcfox Wind Maker

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    #10
    I would create a backup of the site with your modifications and then restore the site to it's original condition. If the guy wants your work, he can pay you for it, including any additional reasonable costs for the additional work.

    Do it quickly and don't mess around asking about it here.
     
    mcfox, Nov 22, 2006 IP
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    Keep justifying it all you want, but as Fathom said, you are talking about committing a crime. Hacking into someones server (even if you had previous access, you no longer do) is in a whole different category of legality than a breach of contract. One is a crime and one is not.
     
    akula, Nov 22, 2006 IP
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    mcfox Wind Maker

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    Bollocks. He has permission to access the server. It has never been withdrawn ;)
     
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  13. akula

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    Ya right that argument will fly.

    Nope his own words he no longer has implied or expressed permission to server access anymore. That ended when the work ended.

    You are giving this guy bad advice because you have nothing to lose from it. How about, since you are so sure this is justified, you go ahead and do it for him. I am sure when it is your ass taking the chance, you will think twice.
     
    akula, Nov 22, 2006 IP
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    slipxaway Active Member

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    I agree with Akula here. You can't access someone's server without their permission. It's illegal.
     
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    mcfox Wind Maker

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    Would do it in a heartbeat.

    The work ends when he (the OP) says it is finished.
     
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    crazyryan Well-Known Member

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    DO IT DO IT.

    He should realise he can't get away with this stuff and karma will always get him back.
     
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    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    If you have not been paid the work you have done, it is only fair that you can take back everything you did for that person.
     
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    I agree - unless you have reason to believe they have good reason for not paying (yet). Did you make any arrangements on how fast he would be paying you? Paying slowly and not paying at all are two different things.
     
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    We are not talking about theft here. We are talking about justice.
    Legality and justice is not always the same thing. I am shure that you can agree on that.

    So lets say that someone bought my polka dotted teddy bear and failed to pay. 6 months later I passed by his house. I saw that the garage door (that is just out in the street) is open. There are noone around. In there I saw my polka dotted teddy bear.
    Wouldnt you take it back ?
     
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  20. akula

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    Yep I agree. Life is not fair, sometimes you have to make a stand and accept the consequences......I do not think that is an acceptable trade-off here.
    He should have gotten a better contract...lesson learned.

    However people are giving this guy bad advice without taking into consideration the consequences.

    At least say "Go ahead and do it but be prepared to lose more than you ever stood to gain." Be honest at least.
    Nope because a trespassing charge is not worth a poka-dot teddy bear.
    However
    If someone molested my child, I would kill them........acceptable trade off for me.
     
    akula, Nov 22, 2006 IP