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Can I bring Google to small claim court?

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by mmtino, Oct 3, 2006.

  1. Worldwid

    Worldwid Peon

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    #21
    Just chalk it up as a lesson learned. Your not smarter then google, in fact your not going to be smarter then any of the other companies you try to put one over on. Your best bet is to move on, and at the next company you play it safe and don't try to cheat them.
    SEMrush
    Google always does that, they won't ban you until it is time to send payments. They use you just like you tried to use them, and there better at it ;)
     
    Worldwid, Oct 3, 2006 IP
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  2. VincentChow

    VincentChow Peon

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    #22
    They have the right to do so, and you shouldn't open a second account in the first place.
    If you wanted to do so, you should change your address or do other things that can cover your first account's information.
    I think you have low chances to win if it's bring to court. Maybe it will cost you more than $500 too.
    Anyway, good luck.
     
    VincentChow, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  3. Ganceann

    Ganceann Peon

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    #23
    The only questions that could be resolved from this is:

    Where does that $500 go to?

    Do Google pocket the cash that was due to the publisher - or do they donate it to charity?

    I think they should donate it to charity as they received free publicity on his websites for 2 months - basically knowing he would not receive payment when he requested it.

    Also, it does not have to be the same person for them not to issue any payment - but anyone related to them can also have their account disabled for being associated with the 'banned publisher'.

    In this sense, it is a legal black hole - what if the person google deemed related to the banned publisher had in fact just moved into that address? Google would ban them when they requested payment stating they were associated with a previously banned person and were not eligible for payment...in that instance, google are 100% wrong and should therefore have a means where they do not directly gain from such decisions.

    (btw, I haven't read through all notes on disputes and their resolution so I dont know if something is already in place to cover such incidents)
     
    Ganceann, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #24
    Ganceann:

    It is my understanding that the money is refunded to the AdWords advertisers.
     
    Will.Spencer, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  5. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #25
    Ah, but that is for the courts to decide! That's what they are there for.

    We can't live in a society where Google is allowed to make its own rules, outside of the rule of civil law.
     
    Will.Spencer, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  6. Nida G

    Nida G Peon

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    #26
    this is the turth

    read TOS
     
    Nida G, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  7. Ganceann

    Ganceann Peon

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    #27
    Yeah - it may be the case, I am not 100% sure since there was no clickfraud involved - merely a previously banned publisher having a 2nd account disabled.

    If an account is disabled due to invalid clicks, it would be protocol to reimburse advertisers for the entirefigure. However, there were no invalid clicks on the 2nd account that he had disabled and therefore google are not obliged to follow that protocol - if you understand what I mean :p
     
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  8. mmtino

    mmtino Peon

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    #28
    Yes, they emailed me that they will refunded to advertisers. However, these clicks are all valid. I think I can appreciate if google just refused me to open the second account or just banned me shortly after I opened it.

    What if I ask payment a lot longer than 2 months? Will google refund all of these valid clicks to advertisers?
     
    mmtino, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  9. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #29
    I say you sue them. Call the damn media up in your town and let them know.
     
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  10. mmtino

    mmtino Peon

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    #30
    Thanks! Good idea. I will do it if I take it to the court and I am just 10 munites away from google. My town is google's town.
     
    mmtino, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #31
    Hehehehe -- in that case you should picket their building and get on the news. :D
     
    Will.Spencer, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  12. mmtino

    mmtino Peon

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    #32
    Thanks Will! Your advices are very valueble to me. I have no issues if google just banned me. My agurment is why they banned me after I requested payment (what if I never ask payments).
     
    mmtino, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  13. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    #33
    Then you'd never have known they wouldn't pay ;)
     
    MattUK, Oct 3, 2006 IP
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    #34
    Have you heard the expression "beating a dead horse"?
     
    wentworth, Oct 3, 2006 IP
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    hextraordinary Well-Known Member

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    #35
    Just a quick one, since when you need to request payments? :eek:
     
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    mmtino Peon

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    #36
    You need to do the followings before you get your payments:
    • Make $100
    • have google call your phone
    • receive and enter a PIN from google
    • Fill out a tax form

    I did the PIN in early Sept. and the tax form about mid Sept. and received banned email right after Sept. 25 which is the pay day.

    Google can ban me anytime after I made first $100 or called me or even when I entered the PIN I received from google. But they banned right at the pay day.
     
    mmtino, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  17. Abhik

    Abhik ..:: The ONE ::..

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    #37
    bro.. read their TOS first
     
    Abhik, Oct 3, 2006 IP
  18. hextraordinary

    hextraordinary Well-Known Member

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    #38
    I never had to do all that..:eek: .. Just fill in the tax forms when you first sign up ...
     
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    Ezo Well-Known Member

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    #39
    Read T.O.S. google may ban you for no reason.
     
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  20. RatDog

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    #40
    If you're in the same jurisdiction as Google, you could go down to your courthouse and search for any cases filed against Google and see what the outcome was. All that stuff should be public record. That way you'd know the fate of those litigants who have gone down that path before you and you can make an informed decision on how to proceed.

    Let us know what you find out if you do that.
     
    RatDog, Oct 3, 2006 IP