I am confused. I had a winner in my auction and he refused to follow through and buy the domain.... Isn't this a concern for the DP Forum mods? Shouldn't the offenders be punished at all?
Probably would have a little more sympathy if: 1. The domain sale wasn't a duplicate sales that needed to be deleted anyway (along with others). 2. If you *yourself* have paid for more than 1 out of 11 auctions you won.
are you saying I did something wrong... in .2 what you talking about???? what are you getting at? I always pay for what I buy!
When a sale is set up for Instant Pay, the system is able to track what has/has not been paid for... The green 1 means 1 was paid, the red 10 means 10 have been unpaid. You can find info about what each are in your UserCP: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/marketplace.php?do=won It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to care about the Instant Pay ratings more than iTrader. Soon, the iTrader ratings will be all gone and the system will ONLY use the Instant Pay ratings (they are both there currently during transitional period).
I never use that Instant Pay system because I control the use of my Paypal account directly between me and the buyer and seller, which ever I need it to be. I do not list my paypal info just anywhere. As you know too many paypal scams - and I just do not trust it. I had absolutely no idea I was being penalized because I was not using this. Everything I have bought or sold has been taken care of directly without this system - and my Itrader records reflect that. I resent being negatively impacted because i do not want to use it. Taking away the Itrader, eh?? And depending only on this "Instant Pay" system? Maybe you need to rethink this? The Itrader has its flaws...yes..but its the best you got to work with. Instant Pay SHOULD NEVER be used as an alternative. Paypal info should never be something you are forced to give out...it needs to be controlled..IMO. In the meantime, you seem to be perfectly OK with buyers who do not follow through on auctions, but thats the way it is..i guess...
I do not see it that way. I have been paypal scammed before to give out password and account names...and still I get a chitload of emails asking for paypal info..and its not from paypal....I do not trust all this... so why am i being forced to use this system and get penalized when there is a better way to do business IMO???.. Now can the person who refused to follow through on buying the domain in my auction get a little infraction taste? I see my auction link has been removed... Am i the only fool that gets 3 cases of duplicate thread infraction points for the same domain I was trying to sell in auction... while bringing this "bad buyer" to your attention? However, all I see is attention to all the BAD things I have done, e.g., not using the Instant Payment system resulting in all these "bad" reports... but all most of those transactions have been completeld successfully, check --many of them are on my Itrader... I need a little understanding here....
Instant Pay sends you to PayPay to authorize the transaction. Assuming you don't want to enter your PayPal info on paypal.com, how are you doing it (regardless if you are using Instant Pay or not). Obviously you don't have to use it, but the argument that you will be scammed out of your PayPal info when you only enter it on paypal.com is a little silly. As far as infractions, duplicate threads are never allowed. 1 infraction per duplicate thread is always given.
i really dont think my concern is silly, but I guess we all have our opinions. And you have mine.... and why i feel the way I do... Anyway, Shawn, when I sell domains, I deal directly with the buyer in a pm. I tell the buyer my paypal info for payment and he pays me. Done.. (The system asking for Instant Pay is not necessary and I should not be penalized for doing business not using Instant Pay, and showing 10 "payment problems," when no problems ever existed.)
I know I have done it both ways. The issue really is that when someone else is selling a domain (that you buy) and they chose to use the Instant Pay... then you have to pay that way or it will show as unpaid. Even if you do pay him via paypal that he provides in a PM. The solution is to either use Instant Pay, Not buy from anyone who requires it, or ask them to remove it before you complete the sale... so it will not show as an unpaid purchase on DP. My reason for not liking it is that I tend to negotiate deals that are not necessarily what was listed in the auction. But, I guess there is a way to deal with everything and this is no different. While I think it prevents a lot of the scam iTrader ratings people generated to make themselves look like good sellers or buyers I think it has also made some people who are actually good buyers or sellers look bad because they did not understand or use the system correctly. The upshot is that I am not sure the end result is any more representative than iTrader. I think the problem has just flipped a little.
browntwn: I agree with your statement "...it has also made some people who are actually good buyers or sellers look bad because they did not understand or use the system correctly. The upshot is that I am not sure the end result is any more representative than iTrader. I think the problem has just flipped a little" I believe I am a very good buyer and seller. And believe it or not, had no idea really this was happening since i always take care of any buyers I deal with directly without the use of the Instant Pay.... I know what ITrader is and strive to maintain good ratings.... but the inpact of Instant Pay is hidden and sneaky.. Without a link from the mod I would have no clue to its impact on me and what a "bad boy" it says I am ... I wish they would just do away with it...
Yes in the form of negative itrader for not sticking by their end of the deal. I'll be doing the same thing myself very shortly I am in the same situation. If he thinks ignoring my PM's is just going to make me forget about the situation he's kidding himself. wow that's pretty bad you haven't got much to complain about lol.
But be careful. That may not work, if this buyer has 0 or a low number of Itrader ratings he has nothing to lose, while you do. You will still be stuck with the domain. Since you have over 300 good ITrader ratings and if this bad buyer wants to retaliate back with a negative lying comment, I dont think you will be supported here trying to get it removed. I have been reading many accounts of revenge against good traders who gave negative comments- and now they are paying the price. Not fair, but I guess that is the way it is.. and IMO the "bad element" here knows this is the case and they do it.......
Stop living in a world of fear. Who cares about retaliatory feedback. What matters most is exposing this member for who they are so others don't have the same negative experience. Any buyer who has a clue knows the real deal when they look into the feedback history anyway. Those who don't, you don't want as customers. Actually regarding the Instant Pay feature and how you didn't pay a lot of times, I can see how you probably didn't even realise and likely did pay. I never list stuff for sale using this feature and if moving forward this will replace itrader all I can say is FUCK ME another great change on DP lol.
I respect your opinion. Yes, you are 100% right on what happened with me regarding the Instant Pay feature and very upset that this system is supposed to replace ITrader. By looking at our ratings, looks like you and i both respect the ITrader system, but not sure many care about it here anymore, especially when it can be used for retaliation against good buyers and sellers....
The thing about retaliatory feedback is that it's only morons who leave it and they tend to have low IQs. The crap feedback that they leave makes them look immature and any professional member will just ignore it. If your feedback is factual and exposes the person they will see that and figure out what really happened so the negative feedback isn't going to hurt you. I've had it happen before and it didn't impact my business much.
I will consider it but the mods removed the link to the auction that had the non buyer, so I dont think I can do that now. When I relisted the auction to sell the domain again, ...and alerted the mods about this non-buyer... i got several infractions for duplicate threads... with no mention of anything being done to the non-buyer. Does not seem fair, but thats they way it is....