Can a Competitor Destroy Your Rankings

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  1. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Hacks and has access to your site yes defiantly...

    And you didn't link to ANYBODY? I can't believe that you did nothing on-site and google just banned you. If you have sneaky redirects on your site that can be a problem but if a bunch of bad sites are linking to you and your on-site is fine Google will not ban you.
     
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  2. NetMidWest

    NetMidWest Peon

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    #42
    Those redirects were probably putting out 302 status codes... most domain traffic systems I have seen use temporary redirects.
    Google has had problems with them in the past.

    I'm not certain that it would still damage a site at this time...
    gid, I don't suppose you'd tell me when you had that traffic setup, and from whom?
     
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  3. selbourne

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    #43
    I think there are few ways to do that
     
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  4. FikseGTS

    FikseGTS Peon

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    #44
    If you're out to prove a point, let's prove it in a big way, let's drop:

    http://www.microsoft.com/

    from coming up for the search term "windows" :)






     
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  5. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #45
    I am sure he would argue they have too much authority....
     
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  6. KingofKings

    KingofKings Banned

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    #46
    Hehe nice challenge :p

    But somehow I believe it's possible to kick your competitor off the search engine... but I think it's a waste of time... why not just work on your site instead of wasting all that time worrying about you competitor... :)
     
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    #47
    Yes, such sites as Microsoft.com, cnn.com, dmoz.org, etc. are not vulnerable for this method. Know why? Because such powerful sites have hundreds of thousands quality backlinks and Google will not treat addition of 2,000 - 10,000 links as something extraordinary. Moreover, I believe that good domain of 3-4 years old with at least 3-5 PR is not vulunerable for this method as well. However your domain has little PR and is less than one year old.

    Due to the subject... sorry for not posting here for several days - was busy with finding loopholes is some interesting fresh operating system :D

    Visio, it appeared that whole thing will take a little bit more time than I previously expected, because guys that do such things asked $400 for this and I do not want to spend much money for proving something of this kind, so I will need some time to setup an abuse-free server, buy Chinese IPs and parse Google for spamworth blogs and guestbooks. Anyway, I promise to do it ASAP, because it seems that this discussion has interested many people here and on some other SEO forums, where I have mentioned our dispute.
     
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  8. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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  9. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #49
    If you can prove it to me on your own site that is fine. I would love to see that. When you have documented prove you banned a site from Google with this method I will convert;)



    Hello? Is anybody home???

    If you read my post I said 'negative effect' or 'hurt' your rankings. Yes I can help a site achieve a irrelevant ranking if I want to waste my time but I can't destroy any of their current rankings without getting them to rank to me. I actually had this confirmed by a Google employee. I can't mention names because they aren't supposed to say that but it wasn't a ordinary employee and wasn't Matt either.
     
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  10. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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    #50
    Before you start getting all defensive perhaps you should read my post? The poster that I referred to called it google bowling which is the correct term. You called it google bombing which is entirely different. Didn't the google employee tell you that? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #51
    I am referring to google bombing which is when you build up a bunch of links to a certain site to give it an artificial boost for a specific key-phrase.
    The employee told me that unless there was suspicious content on the site or it was using black hat methods the site would not be effected by mass-spam. She clearly noted that there is no penalty no matter how many links you gain in how much time just as long as your not linking out. She also stated not to quote her on these as she wasn't supposed to tell me. But again feel free to prove me wrong. I am waiting.
     
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  12. Andyz

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    #52
    :rolleyes:

    So according to that, it IS possible.
     
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  13. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #53
    No because the competitor can also submit a report which would also get the site banned. UNLESS a report would get a site banned Google will not ban it if it gains too many links. So if your competitor is playing BH tricks you could get them banned possibly but if they are playing by the rules you won't be able to nudge them.
     
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  14. thegypsy

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    #54
    It's simply an OLD link spammers trick to piss off enough high profile sites and snag some honeypots bla bla bla

    You'd likely get in some heat with your host and possible domain registrar as well as Google, problem is they can figure it out pretty quick and then you can set up your OWN honeypots incase the sucker tries it again....

    That is NOT lowering your rankings. They would return instantly.. TRUST ME. This is not new and Google is awae innocent folks get nailed by dumb-asses

    SO the answer is still NO. It's not the bad links affecting things.. it is the COMPLAINTS....

    Now, Squeez.. unless you got the fishing gonads to put one of YOUR urls up.. stop actiing like a big shit - I have been watching U since you showed up since I am some one well versed in the 'dark side' and I can smell em a mile away....

    Don't be a fishing chicken shit lurker man. Put up something of value or U are no more than a common thief that strikes and leaves again. Pathetic

    There's my sites man.. and I'll talk smack with you all fishing day.

    Better yet, U hang at syndk8? What's yer monicker... I'll tell ya mine

    U a lurker - [​IMG]

    Or U gonna be a stand up member?
     
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  15. Neale

    Neale Peon

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    #55
    All the talk of someone adding links to your site to get you penalised is nonsense worst case scenario you get no credit for them period more likely you would get a little juice.
     
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    #56
    If you have original content on your site, your competitor could make hundreds of copies of the content by submitting it to article directories or posting it on blogs. This push your site into suplemental results.
     
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    #57
    What if I got hundreds of links to the same page and created a different URL for each to create duplicate pages within the site.

    http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx?vista=iscrap

    http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx?vista=isinsecure

    http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx?vista=isbroke

    Microsoft is not the best domain, but if this was done to a domain that did not have much authority how would the search engines treat this?
     
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  18. visio

    visio Well-Known Member

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    #58
    Not quite that easy. Google has an algo to figure that out as well. Yes there is probably a worst case scenario where it could happen but it is unlikely. Google is pretty good at figuring out who is the original content creator. The worst case would be for a new site.
     
    visio, Feb 6, 2007 IP
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    #59
    Google knows when and where the content was first indexed. If that scenario worked then nobody would use RSS or other syndication methods to get their content out on the web...



     
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    #60
    I have seen many sites Google rankings destroyed by competitors, it seems very common
     
    dnk, Feb 6, 2007 IP