Can a Christian here explain the concept of hell...?

Come on TheNoose; you wouldn't know a cancer cell if it walked up to you and slapped the taste out of your mouth.
A Doctor (that you don't know. . .ever see the Movie: Catch Me If You Can?) tell this is a cancer cell from your body. You don't know whether this person is a doctor or not; you don't know if this is really cancer that they're claiming is "proof of cancer"; you can't read the Rx that they give you; you don't know the Pharmacist that fills the Rx; you don't know the person(s) who shoves a gun up your butt to collect polyps; you don't know the person(s) who administers you radiation, right after leaving you exposed to it and hiding themselves behind a foot thick wall of lead; etc. and so on.
And in all of this, you never one time considered that GOD was THE ONE WHO kept you safe throughout the entire process?
You never consider that GOD has so designed us that it is easier for us to breathe than it is to hold our breath?

 

"It is Written" [Documented]. . .just like Newspapers, History Books, Science Books, etc. By men, right? Yes, just like the ones who wrote/write the Newspapers, History, Sciences books, etc. But unlike Newspapers, History Books, Science Books, etc., its also REVEALED by GOD HIMSELF.
Its just like Solomon said, "There's nothing new under the Sun." Only stuff that hasn't been revealed to us yet.
See my Post that I started the Thread about: "All of Science's ONLY Consensus=Atheism's Nightmare". Before Science ever discovered that the ONLY consensus that All of Science could come to, was already recorded in Scripture (Genesis 1:1). . .and it was done so in the order that All of Science looks at it: Time, Force, Action, Space, and Matter.

That's right, "There will be a new earth". And NO, HE didn't "intend to stop creating life with the angels".
HIS Purpose Was/Is to Create Being for "HIS GOOD PLEASURE", "in HIS IMAGE and LIKENESS", by giving them Free-Will; because HE isn't into "canned" Praise and Worship.
To accomplish this Utopia, HE has to allow that Free-Will to run it humanly course, by allowing and/or permitting everything that could come against HIMSELF, to come against HIM, so that when the all of everything possible has been tried, and totally failed, no one will ever never again try (or even think about) usurping HIS SOVEREIGN-SHIP and/or SOVEREIGNTY again. . .and mankind will still have Free-Will.
All of this, as well as "the severity or non-severity of hell" is documented in Scripture. . .but then, you'd know that if you'd ever read HIS BOOK, huh?

What you actually "feel" Rebecca, can only be perceived by one or more of your five senses. When you say "this is the way I 'feel'", what you're actually saying is, 'This is the way I think and/or I believe.'. And that my dear, is an act of your will.

Awww, he just one of many past, present, and future. And his followers, do so out of ignorance. . .pure undiluted and willful ignorance. Why? Because its all spelled out in Scripture. But they never bother/bothered to check it out for themselves, so they can't know whether they're being lied to or not. . .just like...

And if "G-d never woke up adam from removing his rib, and this whole life is just a dream", then they should try reading, in its entirety, down to the part where the number "666" and/or the anti-CHRIST is written about.
Did you know that you have been so designed by GOD that your body automatically rejects a lie. . .whether you're the one telling the lie, or you're the one being lied to? But that's right, you'd know this if you'd read HIS BOOK, huh?

Rebecca, the pleasure has been, and is, all mine.

 

It's a shame that the words to describe the previous post are flames- and if I used the words I am inclined to use, I would be very, very, very banned.

Instead, i will say to you, nehemia, that you have yet to say anything true.

 

I read it today. You should rename it, "Nehemiah vs. all the At on DP"

That's interesting, I've never heard a Christian before that believes there will be a new earth. The jehovahs witness believe that, but I know your not one because you believe Jesus was more than human. Do you think earth will be part of heaven?

Even different Christians have different interpretations of hell. Out of interest, what version bible do you read and why?

I use the words feel, think, believe interchangeably, it's true. It's like being guided by a conscience don't you think? As in this definition:
*motivation deriving logically from ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions.
*conformity to one's own sense of right conduct; "a person of unflagging conscience".
*a feeling of shame when you do something immoral; "he has no conscience about his cruelty".

I'm far from perfect, but I do try to do the right thing.

I tried to find scripture today on the Internet that specifically states that G-d woke Adam up, but it's not there. He also believes that no one is accountable for sin, as murder, rape, stealing, etc. because he says Jesus died on the cross, and that eliminates sin. In addition, no hell. Just an everlasting party. No wonder people want to believe him, but their probably a little soft in the head to get 666 tatoo's. I know just a little more than nothing, and even I wouldn't agree to that. He told his followers the 666 tatoo's were necessary because it means they support the new coming of Christ (him), and they just went along. His goal is to establish a world government with himself as the leader over all nations. This is an in depth article about it if your curious, I believe he has 300 churches now and a 24 hr cable channel. His followers have attacked regular Christian churches as well...
http://www.houstonpress.com/2006-11-30/news/this-man-thinks-he-s-jesus-h-christ

Thanks

 

You're right, I do put trust in people. PEOPLE. NOT a fictional story and a faith that god will keep me safe - here's why.

God wouldn't keep me safe through the entire process. Millions die from cancer and other diseases each year. What makes the ones that survive so much more special? Nothing. They catch the cancer earlier, have better doctors, more money for drugs, or are just lucky. That's it, unless you want to admit that god plays favorites which I highly doubt. Just look at all the instances of drunk drivers hitting another vehicle and killing everyone but themselves. Where was he to keep the victims safe through the entire process? Where is he to save all the starving children in Africa. So you can't say that god both intervenes in keeping me safe, but doesn't care about all of those people. It's one way or the other.

You also talk about god's brilliant design of the human body. How about children born with CF (cystic fibrosis). It's not so easy for them to breathe and many used to die before their 5th birthday. Now many can live even into their 40s. It's not because of god, it's because of doctors and scientists creating new treatments. If you're god truly cared about keeping people safe through the process - he'd wave his arm and disease would be gone.

It seems that every religious person picks and chooses when they think that god intervenes. If I point out diseases and the millions of people that die because of them - you'll say, "well god doesn't intervene with human existence and that is the fault of sin." But then - you're always the first to point out when somehow, 1 out of a million, someone survive, the it must have been god.


As for my trust in doctors, they have a chance at healing you - I'd take any chance over 0 chance.

 

I read about an experiment, where one group of cancer patients was prayed for everyday, and one group was not. According to the experiment, mortality rates were the same in both groups. If they don't live, they might say it wasn't G-d's will. If they do live, they would probably say, G-d is responsible for healing them. Nehemiah, do you believe that praying for something specific will increase your chance of getting it?

 

There are plenty of Biblical scholars who don't teach "hell", and can prove it very throughly from the Bible. They are called Annihilationists. Anyone can read the Bible, but that doesn't mean everyone can understand it. Having a knowledge of something is not the same as understanding it completely.

 

The proof of God's love is supposed to come from His followers.

The three main fruits of the Spirit are,

Love
Joy
and Peace

My Uncle was healed of cancer one time when he went to a church and everyone laid hands on him and he felt electricity going through his body and was healed. I have performed similar miracles as the Lord has led. His Name is Wonderful

God bless Noose.

 

What were the circumstances? was your uncle undergoing chemo? what did the doctors say?

I require more validation before believeing the claim 'goddoneit'

That validation is, of course, a replicatible experiment.

 

I'm glad to hear your uncle recovered from his cancer - that is a great thing.

Still though, the question remains - why does god pick very few to heal, while letting so many suffer?

If you want to attribute miracles to god, then you must attribute suffering to him as well.

I know what you'll say as I've heard it before - sin is attributed to man and is not god's responsibility since he gave us free will and will not intervene with that. That just doesn't make sense though as you say he does in fact intervene. He either does, or he doesn't - and none of you guys can seem to get it straight.

 

No, the delusional world is the one in which there is an invisible man that created the entire earth in 6 days. An invisible man that lives in the sky, and intervenes, but, at the same time, doesn't intervene, depending on the situation and how it plays out in said delusional world. I'm not saying just dodging my questions, I'm saying when ANYONE asks a question that doesn't conform to your little view.

Posturing gesture? LMAO, yeah, ok....Why should you go on? Your so hell bent on attempting to prove to the world there is an invisible man in the sky, it would only make sense. But, hey, the idea of an invisible man in the sky doesn't make sense, so why should I expect you to get the sense in going on? And wtf is this 'at' b/s?

Edit: You automatically assume I'm an atheist because I do not believe in your God or Jesus Christ being his son? Heck, I'm more prone to believe in a polytheistic religion than I am in a monotheistic one. Maybe I'll write a book about the pink unicorn being the God and start my own? Its the same thing.

Your right, the acts are "sins."

Learned behaviors? How exactly are these learned? You think someone conditions themselves to like the same sex? Try opening your mind up to "those" people and learning a little more about it.

No need to justify my unbelief. I had religion crammed down throat growing up. I decided to do my own thinking. These are valid questions, as there is no reason to blindly follow any belief without having at least a little bit of proof to go along with it.........Good try. Again, way to bring your argument value down another notch. Dang, your pretty good at that huh?

Ok, so this invisible man...he provides penaltys and rewards through himself now? Nice personal attack. Read the rules, these are not allowed. Way to bring down your argument value, not that it had much to begin with.

Wow, way to go. You really need to read the rules for the area before you go attacking people. You discredit your whole entire argument by personally attacking people. Attack the argument not the person. Maybe you should learn some debate techniques. And this doesn't make any sense. Please clarify what you said.

But I thought you were born into sin? WTF? So many contradictions to what fits the issue.

Ahh, ok, that makes sense. You have to make the choice to reject this invisible devil and accept this "son of God" but yet, babies have no conscious thought, so the rules of God are waived for them right? Where is that in the bible, please, point me to the "scripture."

Why should I know these words when it comes to an invisible man in the sky...this God? If he doesn't exist, there is no way to know these words when it comes to "him." Please, refrain from the personal attacks, it doesn't help you out at all and makes you look horrible, not to mention, it is against the rules here.

 

Then how many of these so-called "Biblical scholars who don't teach 'hell'", actually know more than JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF???

Just from the Synoptic accounts of The Gospel (JESUS' Teaching on Hell where the word that translate into the word we know as "Hell"): [Matthew 5:22,29-30; 10:28; 11:23; 16:18; 18:9; 23:15,33]; [Mark 9:43,45,47]; [Luke 10:15; 12:5; 16:23]

And while I agree that, "Having a knowledge of something is not the same as understanding it completely", would you agree that Having "a zeal" with little or no "knowledge" runs rampant within "the household of faith"?

 

Every miracle can be explained away one way or another, but we shouldn't look to miracles as a source of faith, otherwise you can be deceived.

God bless.

 

I don't know his exact condition at the time, but the doctors proclaimed him fully healed after the incident at the church and couldn't find any trace of the cancer anymore, that's about as much as I know of the story.

As far as when I have healed before, I will usually get what the Bible refers to as a revelation of 'knowledge', that is, I know what's wrong and then I can pray for the person, and if the Lord is leading they will get healed usually 95% of the time. I don't know why the Lord chooses me or anyone to heal when he does, I just know it's up to Him, and He could choose anyone.

Take care.

 

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The concept of hell is what this earth is and what you make of it. There is no other place in this universe that promotes suffering, death, ignorance etc. like Earth.

 

Noose, allow me to put the teacher hat on here

About your question on suffering, here is how I understand it.

God allows suffering in this present age. Yet in the next life all is forgotten. All tears are wiped away and all hurting is healed, that's all done through the work of our Messiah. Just because you are a Christian doesn't exempt you from suffering either, there is persecution, distress, but it is all down away with in the end.

 

Hell is a place you do not want to go. According to the bible anyone that gets cast into the gates of hell which is like a lake of fire will be there for eternity. Heaven is the opposite. It's kind of like what you see in the movies like Lord of the Rings, those scary looking things.

 

Well, the succubi are gonna love the tan I get there

 

What the hell are you talking about?