Calculate weight on whole sites PR rather than just homepage?

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by amaze, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. #1
    Hi,

    Anyone else (Shawn?) think it would be a good idea to calculate the base-weight from the WHOLE sites PR rather than just the HP?

    Of course a link from a PR5 inner-page is going to be more valuable than a PR0 link?

    Anyone else agree?

    I'm not sure if this is easy from a technical point of view but would be great.

    Thanks
     
    amaze, Jan 12, 2005 IP
  2. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #2
    The network has sites with thousands of pages. Imagine the resources used to check pagerank of each page.

    Shannon
     
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  3. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #3
    I am not sure on the mathematics...I have activated 12 accounts in the last few weeks they all weighed in as they should have. That is to say inside pages were certainly taken into account.

    The pattern I noticed is the larger the site (qty. of indexed webpages) the greater the weight.
     
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  4. chachi

    chachi The other Jason

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    #4
    I think amaze's point here is that (well this used to be the case) page rank gives you an indication of how frequently each page will be crawled. Now that the toolbar PR is so messed up, it is really not a great way to determine how frequently gbot, or any other bot for that matter, will visit. In a perfect world, the system would work how amaze would like it to, but it is really not feasable to do it that way. As Shannon said, the resources to calculate each page's "weight" would be incredible.
     
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  5. Catfish

    Catfish Peon

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    #5
    Shawn can do it.

    He can do anything.

    Huh Shawn? :)
     
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    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    Can and being feasible are two different things in my mind.

    Shannon
     
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  7. Homer

    Homer Spirit Walker

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    #7
    I really am not sure how G perceives these links? I can see them in Yahoo and MSN. I have yet to spot one in Google's index. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm right, these links may have no influence nor effect on PR?
     
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  8. john_loch

    john_loch Rodent Slayer

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    #8
    Shannon,

    You're quite right of course. The overhead would prove prohibitive.

    Besides that - PR can be exploited very easily, so it's inclusion should really be nothin more than an indicator of index freq anyway (I'm not sure the bearing it has anyway at present).

    Cheers,

    JL
     
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    John...I see plenty of BL's in Google from Coop Ad sites. In fact they probably make up about 75% of the links Google is now reporting for me. How they factor into PR is somenting only the Google Gods know. :)
     
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    flawebworks Tech Services

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    #10
    Google doesn't show backlinks as quickly as the other search engines. PR is not affected.
     
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    lowrider14044 Raider

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    I'm not sure I agree with the links not effecting PR? I was under the impression that PR is a measure of importance based at least partly in inbound links. It would seem logical that a site with 10,000 inbound links has to have more importance then a site with 10. Even if their only from PR1 and 2 pages. But I may be wrong like I normally am. :)
     
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  12. xml

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    #12
    The network has increased the PR of some of my sites in the network - FACT.

    One shot from PR0 to PR6.
     
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  13. T0PS3O

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    #13
    I saw increased PR as well, only due to Coop.

    Basing weight on all pages' PR is overkill on the server side I'd imagine.

    Some sites have 20k pages. You'll have to traverse through each and every one of them with the API, taking up thousands of API queries.

    Can't see Shawn implementing that. Homepage is enough to go by IMO.
     
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  14. xml

    xml Peon

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    Maybe it should go by your highest PR page?

    I know one of my sites has an home PR of 6, yet I have PR7 internal pages.
     
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  15. amaze

    amaze Active Member

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    This would require querying every page as well though so you may as well just do an average of them all.
     
    amaze, Jan 13, 2005 IP