Bush to Veto Waterboarding Ban

Lyndon Johnson: "We must either love each other. Or we must die."

 

He said, as he fabricated a war against Vietnam which killed over 1 million Vietnamese and at least 60,000 Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident



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An enemy combatant is anyone that supports or is a member of Al-Qaeda. They are locked in Gitmo for being enemy combatants. Many were released because they were deemed NOT to be enemy combatants. That indicates to me that many innocent people suffered unnecessarily.

As far as we know, they didn't waterboarded any of them. That still does not make it humane or just. I wouldn't like to be held in prison for years with no trial when I did not do anything. Plus, it sounds like some of them were beaten and humiliated. I will agree with you on this Guerilla, Gitmo is something to be ashamed of. I honestly wouldn't mind Gitmo if they were proven terrorists, but it sounds like a good 3/4 were not. It would be interesting to see a list of why they were initially determined to be enemy combatants.

 

I guess I agree. I'm just more interested in making it right. Feeling bad is not helping anyone or improving the situation.

I don't think we need to have a GITMO for proven terrorists. I don't believe torture is justified, and many experts have said that evidence received from torture is worthless, because people will say anything to stop torture.

I honestly believe that there is a deliberate attempt to dehumanize and demoralize our enemies, some of whom may be enemies, and some of whom may be innocent bystanders.

If they are guilty of a crime, lock them up. But as we now understand, innocent people get accused of things without being proven guilty, and then spend years with no human rights, being destroyed by the most inhumane methods.

As Ron Paul has said, (paraphrased) "The war is not being mismanaged, you can't manage a bad war".

Well, I agree. It's not that we might use torture on the wrong person, but rather that we are torturing in the first place.

 

That is where we disagree. I will not protect the rights of people proven to be involved in 911. Period. They get, what they get. Let's say I was working as a prison guard and we had a prisoner come in that was a child molester and raped children. If I found the other prisoners raping him, I would probably give them 10 more minutes before I broke it up. Let's say someone murdered my family, I would love to have him waterboarded amongst other things. I think the bottom line is that I just have a more vengeful nature than you. At the same time, I do respect your ideals.

 

Wow, are you ever scary!

Thanks. And yeah, I don't believe in revenge. Justice? Absolutely. But the best revenge is living well, or usually, in tending more to the victims than the criminals.

 

Thanks, I appreciate that. LOL

 

Hey, this may or may not be the case, but ya might wanna check and make sure GW doesn't think Waterboarding is an aquatic recreational past-time similar to Snowboarding.

I wouldn't mention it except I live in his home state and I'm pretty sure a similar semantic instance almost resulted in us budgeting $4 billion for shelters to house the homely.

 

I won't be surprised if that is what Cheney told him it is.

 

You get a serious point here...You might be bloody right...