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Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by iShopHQ, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #61
    yeah that will happen
     
    ferret77, Sep 21, 2005 IP
  2. toddieg

    toddieg Peon

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    #62
    where is that mentioned?
    that might have been ruined by the first online advertisement.
     
    toddieg, Sep 21, 2005 IP
  3. kneukm03

    kneukm03 Active Member

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    #63
    Well, it's true, at least for pornography. Not sure about the whole information thing.
     
    kneukm03, Sep 21, 2005 IP
  4. Crusader

    Crusader Peon

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    #64
    If you do a little digging into the history of the WWW you’ll find that it was created to facilitate the free exchange of information, initially amongst education institutions, and later to the general public.

    The problem is not advertisements on websites. The problem exists with how certain webmasters create spammy sites with the sole purpose of generating revenue by forcing visitors to escape from the site by clicking on ads in order to actually find something useful.

    Let’s compare “spam sites” with radio and TV stations or even magazines: If any of these would provide only 10% real content and 90% ads, how long will you think they can keep operating? Definitely not very long...

    Spam site creators might see some short-term gains, but in the long run, they face the prospect of being banned by ad networks, having their sites barred from search engines (Google sandbox is a good example) and they will have to churn out sites at an increasing rate, just to keep up with those that aren’t profitable any longer.

    Even if you are creating sites purely for revenue purposes you should first create the site for content and visitors then add your advertising. It’s a much better prospect to create a good site with relevant content, gain traffic, and have a sustainable income for the lifetime of the site. If you built a great site, your revenue can only go up from there.
     
    Crusader, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  5. aeiouy

    aeiouy Peon

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    #65
    Some of the people that take the defense that people should just be left alone must support the idea of spyware, javascript hijacking, site hijacking, redirects, pop-ups, pop-unders, changing your home page, auto-dialers and any other tactics people have used over the years to try and make money on the internet.

    Sites with no actual content (the one that started this post is a perfect example) hurts the usefulness of the internet for everyone. The only person who potentially benefits is the person with the site. These sites are no better than the lot of things I mentioned above. Those things we forced away, for the most part, because the end-user hated them. If people think that some how the end-user is going to tolerate nonsense sites like the one that started this thread, they are sadly mistaken.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #66
    having a shitty site with adsense , or pop ups or pop unders isn't the same as spyware or autodialers
     
    ferret77, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  7. toddieg

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    #67
    not even a little bit....

    spam (just for adsense) websites should not be compared to email spam, clickfraud, spyware, hacking, hijacking or credit card theft...
     
    toddieg, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  8. Crusader

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    #68
    Well, it could actiually be compared to some of those:
    Clickfraud: Creating sites just for Adsense (against ToS), visitors click on ads just to "escape".
    Fraud: putting visitors under the impression they will find what they are looking for, but not delivering anything useful
    Spam: Spam is useless junk... just as those sites can be
     
    Crusader, Sep 23, 2005 IP
  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #69
    While minimizing their ROI. Nifty. :cool:
     
    Will.Spencer, Sep 24, 2005 IP
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    aeiouy Peon

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    #70
    Feel free to justify it to yourself that way if it makes you feel better.

    From the perspective of the internet user it is the same annoying thing...

    This is not about morality, this about what negatively impacts the experience of the typical internet user. Spam Sites are headed to the top of that list for the typical search engine user, if they are not already there.

    So again, feel free to convince yourself what ever you need to to make yourself feel better about what you might do.. but that doesn't change the reality and how it impacts people and how people perceive it.

    Next time your mother asks for some information on a subject, point her to the first spam site you find on the subject. See how appreciative she is of your ability to find useful information.


    The bottomline is everyone here knows that spam sites are negatively contributing to the usefulness of the internet. People, however, make money taking advantage of it, and will do anything they can to protect themselves and their income, including denying reality.



    I like how people want to distance from spyware... If I install a browser auto-direct to my site, I just want you to get that valuable information. I am not doing anything wrong. 5, 6 years ago, you guys would be the ones defending pop-ups, toolbar and spyware installers and all the rest. Your morality is one of the times.

    Some of you have either been doing this for too long or can't see the forest through the trees.
     
    aeiouy, Sep 24, 2005 IP
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    Could not have said it better myself. Excellent post.
     
    Crusader, Sep 24, 2005 IP
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #72
    clueless, sites have to make money to stay online, for years sites supported the cost bandwidth and maintance thru pop up ads and whatever advertising they can get.

    Do you guys have regular jobs, or do you earn your living online?

    website cost time and money, often some user experience must be sacrificied to make it profitable, adsense is just the new best way, less intrusive etc.
     
    ferret77, Sep 25, 2005 IP
  13. Crusader

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    #73
    The problem is not with having ads on sites. Ads is the way users "pay" for content and keeps the sites running. The problem is webmasters that only create spammy sites to earn money with no real content at all.
     
    Crusader, Sep 25, 2005 IP