Build Backlinks for my competitors?

Discussion in 'Google' started by SEOjr, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. #1
    I just purchased a 1000 dir submission package. I wonder if Google would punish the BLs fast build up in a short period of time.

    I also heard from some people that it does not matter. Their argument is if it does matter. We could submit it for our competitors. That will force G to punish our competitors and push up our ranking.

    Anyone has actual experience after purchasing 1000 dir submission package?
    Did the ranking actually go up or get punished?
     
    SEOjr, Nov 24, 2007 IP
  2. m_wc

    m_wc Well-Known Member

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    #2
    do you think you can get 1000 backlinks from those submissions in one day??

    Big NO...

    Google bot won't visit those 1000 directories at the same time.. you will get backlinks slowly.. may in couple of weeks even months..
     
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  3. dreamsubmitting

    dreamsubmitting Well-Known Member

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    #3
    This is right that you don't get all 1000 submission approved!

    All directories editor take time to review listing and it will be approved or reject!

    And that listed like take time to get listed in google..may be its take 1-2 weeks to listed or more than that!

    There is no doubt that this help you get improve in SERP! ( But its take time )

    Dilpreet
     
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  4. zangief

    zangief Well-Known Member

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    #4
    For established sites google generally does not apply a punishment , it is generally for new sites and the punishment is for a period if it happens.
    If you build links for your opponents one day they will come back stronger :)
     
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    windtalker Well-Known Member

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    #5
    Go ahead and get 1000 backlinks for your competitor...and then in a month tell us who has a higher ranking for your keywords.
     
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  6. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #6
    What a warped mind would do something like this? Why would you waste your energy for something this negative? Instead of INTENTIONALLY attempting to hurt your competition can't you direct that energy to improving your own ranks through hard work and through learning from your competition instead of trying to hurt them? If you are one ugly mofo and your girlfriend left you for a better looking guy would you hurt the guy for your girlfriends action? Don't hate the player, hate the game and if you do not have the stomach for it don't play. People like you who try to cut corners and do things like this will not succeed at anything other than failure.
     
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  7. Hersheys

    Hersheys Peon

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    #7
    If you would do that there's no assurance that your competitors would be punished. Before google find this trick your competitors would greatly benefit from what you do.
     
    Hersheys, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  8. SEOjr

    SEOjr Peon

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    #8
    I heard this argument from other people, i.e. Google won't punish BL building too fast or you could do this to your competitors. At the same time, I heard another argument, i.e. Building BL too fast will get punished by Google.
    Therefore, I brought up both arguments and solicit comments and share your experiences.
     
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  9. used_cisco

    used_cisco Peon

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    #9
    Frequencies of content are compiled with Google on multiple sites.

    Lets say when a press release is indexed, that press release usually will show up in google based on these conditions:

    1. Which site was the content crawled first?
    2. Which site holds the highest trust mark (PR)
    3. Do any of the pages link back to a original article source?
    4. How many sites hold occurences of "this" content?

    Usually when Google figures all 4 of these questions / statements out with a page...additional listings may not matter after its soaked up maybe the first 3 occurences of original content. Considering most directory sites are structured the same for their detail pages, it can follow the same principles.

    Meaning - when you submit to directories you usually end up keeping the same Key Phrase for the text of the link and the description remains the same. Google knows its a directory and if the same listings are too repetitive out there, it may not even count the links back in those directories not aquired as main original content site holders.

    Solution - mix up your descriptions and titles to give more unique information linking back to your site when you submit to directories.

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    This should also help answer the if mass linking back to competitors will hurt them. Negativo - After a certain point - they just won't count.

    This is just from my experience. Other people have different opinions I'm sure.
     
    used_cisco, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  10. shyboy

    shyboy Well-Known Member

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    #10
    lol... i wish i was your competitor... can you submit my site to a 1000 of dirs please? :D
     
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  11. oseymour

    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    #11
    You can't get hurt by these links....you have to gain a lot more links for you to be penalized somehow...f a site gets dugg, or reddit or gets posted on a popular site, It can gain thousands of links in a small span of time, all naturally...
     
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  12. Slincon

    Slincon Well-Known Member

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    #12
    I don't think that Google will penalize you for building links fast, I think that's one of those stupid SEO myths but Google lets it float around because it helps prevent massive link spamming in their index.

    I'll give you an example of why this is a myth:
    Digg and Social sites make relatively new or in some cases brand spanking new sites popular, and these are sites that Google doesn't know about and some where the domains were bought a day or two before. These sites get a whole whack of links to them and they appear to rank 1-2 days after becoming popular after they enter the google index and end up with 500+ backlinks. If Google was banning or penalizing sites that grow backlinks too quickly, these sites would feel the pinch - but they don't which surely proves that this is a myth.
     
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  13. greece

    greece Banned

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    #13
    i wish i was your competitor.......:)
     
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  14. snowbird

    snowbird Notable Member

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    #14
    Why try to sabotage your competitor? That's not very ethical. I'm surprised many did not note that. :(

    If you submitted to one thousand directories this second, tomorrow there would be probably 100 links posted. It might take a month or so before the next hundred submissions are posted. I've seen directory submission software that generates only 20% of the total submissions six months after the submission. That's 200 links for a 1000 submission. It's not the software providers fault, but many directory owners are over burdened with free submissions or are occupied by other stuff. And it would take a while for these links to be indexed by the search engines.

    The conclusion is that it is extremely difficult to trigger a "too many links too fast" filter from search engines on directory submission links. Directory owners don't approve them that quickly.

    Good luck with your Website...
     
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  15. xmcp123

    xmcp123 Peon

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    #15
    That kind of sabotage doesn't really work. The penalization recieved is generally just ignoring those particular links. And 1000 is not the spammy kinds of links google was talking about. They were talking about legit link farms. And a lot more links than that.
     
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  16. enous

    enous Well-Known Member

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    haha..It's funny.
     
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    enous Well-Known Member

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    I think that you should use G and yahoo link:www.your competitors site.com,and find the sites where backlinks your competitors site come from,and try to make backlinks at those site...
     
    enous, Nov 26, 2007 IP
  18. Slincon

    Slincon Well-Known Member

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    Well so far I've played clean and ethical with my competitors, but I know they're playing dirty - sabotage, proxy cache, etc. I suppose I could go to their level but personally I think it's a waste to do that.
     
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  19. Abhik

    Abhik ..:: The ONE ::..

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    #19
    I agree..
    besides, Googlebot do not crawl the inner pages of a directory regularly.
     
    Abhik, Nov 27, 2007 IP