Do you not think if someone is demanding we respect their culture that we know if they are respecting the culture of their host nation? Also, if i'm representing my nation is new representing the whole of islam when he defends paedophilia and terrorist organisations?
Terrorist orgs? where exactly? Until I missed something. See that's where you're takin it, you're marking all muslims to be somehow related to terrorism, which isn't true. I know current global scenario has had us believe that firmly now, but deep down don't you think it's quite unfair to label them all as terrorists? Lets just stick to the topic, mate. I'm sure the muslims were British citizens so they enjoy the same rights as you. I don't really get how making women and men sit seperately could be against the law. All new is trying to say is that the politician left because it was a party hosted by a Muslim, if it wasn't he might have actually stayed, so how much do you agree with that?
As much right as they have to do something stupid, so too does he have the right to walk away from it. Fair enough?
So while you claim i reprisent my nation with what i say new doesn't represent his religion with what he says? you can't have it both ways, you hypocrite. I also referred specifically to new, not "all muslims". I'd suggest you read his posts before picking sides, you wouldn't want to get stuck supporting someone who defends the rape of children now would you, or maybe you would. You don't see how "making" someone do something against their will could be against the law? really? Think of it along the lines of how it's illegal to make black people sit at the back of the bus. He knew it was a muslim wedding, he didn't have a problem with that. he had a problem with his wife being told to go sit in the special corner, so he left. Maybe you don't mind if your wife gets disrespect by a stranger, but most men would mind, very much so. Out of interest nits, are you a muslim? you seem to have this blind obedience which we see all to often when one muslims defends the actions of another.
Naah mate I'm not a Muslim. I'm spritual but not religious. Not as much of an atheist as you are though as I don't promote it. If you actually could read as well as you whine, you could tell. I was always referring to Muslims as them, not us. I'm not taking sides. I'm barely trying to make you understand why they're pissed. Your black people concept is flawed. The Muslim wives weren't sitting with their husbands either. So since they were disrespecting their wives as well apparently, lets call it their custom. And everyone holds their ground for their customs, and calling it as irrational is against the law too. Since all Muslim wives were sitting separately with their will, as there wasn't any sign of protest. I was actually born as a Hindu, women aren't allowed to attend funerals here, for some apparent religious reason. Somethings just are the way they are. You don't have to play science on them all the time in the name of modern human society. And neither you go proving them wrong, how would you feel if I made ugly remarks about your beliefs? Truth is very blurred in the present world, you're just ought to believe you're right, just like everyone else. But I can understand why you won't get it, because it's quite different for you. It's something you haven't come across that often. And really you don't have to try bash em up on me. I don't know how far would you take it though.. Exactly, but it doesn't give you the liberty to call stupid, stupid. And not to media when you're a politician, because then you'd be marked as publicity seekin' <you know what>.
It's not flawed, you just didn't get it. I'm not saying it's a race issue, i'm saying it's a forced segregation issue. The comparison was with respect to the fact that a group, in this case women, were made to sit apart from another group. That is the most flaccid cop out i have ever heard. Id be perfectly happy, and capable, of defending anything i believe. Know why? because i believe things for a reason and not because "it's just the way it is". The oppression of women? No i haven't come across that very often. You say it like it's a bad thing. Answer some questions for me. 1. Is it right to prevent women going to funerals? 2. Is it right to demand others participate in your traditions? 3. If a man feels his wife is being treated disrespectfully should he leave? 4. Should people have different rights based on race and/or gender?
1. It has some spiritual reason, and isn't considered holy in the religion. You and me may not agree to it, but why blast at the people who possess such beliefs? If you like to smoke and I tell you it's wrong, and force you to stop it. Or leave your home if you lit up a cig in my presence, wouldn't that be a bit too much? Or what if you invite me for thanksgiving, but I'm an out and out vegetarian. And killing and eating animals pisses me off? How about I leave your house there and then, and tell all my community people, you pissed me off with a turkey? It's all about beliefs and perspective, there are no rights or wrongs. It's how you see things. Everything that you're defending is right as per your society, but trust me, it's not like your social rules aren't pissing off anyone And I'm talking in a very general way and not this isolated case. 2. 3. 4. - Same answer
I try not to smoke around non smokers, it's called being considerate. an alien concept to religion i know. What if i demanded you and your wife smoke and then bitched about it when you didn't? is that ok? You also failed to answer the questions. Have another go and answer yes or no after carefully reading what it is you are being asked, because i think if you thought about it properly would wouldn't hold the opinion that religion could really justify racial discrimination.
Bitching, that's all I'm asking you not to. Thats what the politician did, if he just left without making any noise, the hosts won't have been upset, 'new' wouldn't have posted this thread, and I wouldn't be trying so hard to make you understand this. And considerate? You're the one relating Muslims to terrorism and child molestation, asking me if I'm a muslim, and what not. You're the one trying to throw out some dirt. You sir are not considerate from a long looong shot. Let's be smart and end the argument now. Best of luck in your quest to change the world, mate.
I'm relating The majority of Muslims on this forum with the support of child rape because that's exactly what they have supported. Take a look at the threads on child marriage, if you have the guts too, unless you are afraid of coming to the realisation that some so called moderate Muslims have not so moderate views. You have miserably failed to answer every question I have put to you, which shows me that even you think your opinions are indefencible, so it's probably best that you bail out under the guise of being "smart".
Well the world isn't just DP Forums or is it Mr. Smarty Pants? You're just limiting your horizon to a forum to judge a whole religion? I agree, they've not kept up with the modern society, and have lagged quite behind, but is it right to make all the people having a Muslim surname pay for it? I'm not supporting Muslims in any way, that I'd have a realization of any sort. All I'm trying to say is, you're over reacting and turning into a basher, which is wrong. I don't think you're ready to understand that, since you're so pissed at religious people.
The moment all these superstitions are given up, with their archaic hold on modern man, the better. The lack of them will be a benefit to all mankind.
I at no point said all muslims were like this. I was criticising specifically the people involved. Remember when you said i was "representing my whole nation" with what i say? wow, that certainly come back to bite you on the ass and expose you as a hypocrite didn't it. Who is suggesting we should? I will explain this to you one last time. My issue is with people demanding others abide by their made up rules and have a tantrum when they refuse. Now what part of that are you having trouble understanding?
I'm with you on that, I always was trying to say that. My issue is with forming stereotypes and generalizing the entire community. And when I said that you'd give your nation a bad name, I really meant that in the same perspective, that's how religious and other groups work. If a small group goes against them, they raise their voice against the whole of nation/community. You are as shallow as they are, really. Read the title of the post it speaks for itself. You accuse them of child raping, they accuse you of raping their wives/daughters (US/UK Troops in Gulf Nations). All this while I was trying to explain you how you're pissing off the other group a little more, maybe I seemed to be siding with Muslims, but it was because we tend to try explaining on the smarter lot.
Well I for one could already see the seed of hatred in him. He hates groups instead of individuals, and doesn't expect it back.
The only person who suggested that an individuals actions could reflect poorly on a group was you. I'd suggest you have a think about what angle you want to come at this from before fabricating a reason to be outraged, you wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite now, would you. You clearly said that i was "representing my whole nation". Now, can an individuals actions reflect poorly on a group with which they have an incidental association or not? I accuse those who rape children of raping them and those that defend it of defending it. People on this forum have defended it and i have no problem with pointing them out and condemning them, on an individual level, for their abhorrent views.
And what's with your statement that 'Muslims piss you off'? http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=12417702&postcount=59 You conveniently assume that all Muslims either rape children or approve of it.
Yeah they do piss me off.. what's your point? I didn't assume anything, i stated that new, specifically, As you can see by the very words i wrote, had defended the rape of children, which he has. I don't mind you floundering and failing to make a single cognitive point, but in the process of failing miserably would you mind not lying about what i have said? There's a good lad.