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You've misread me entirely. I didn't say the tradition of segregated gatherings is what makes "them" "primitive." I said that I consider fundamentalists, of any stripe, primitive. In fact, I did say that many cultures maintain this notion of gender-based stuff, and gave an example of customs - one from a funeral, another from Kundalini yogic tradition - that are something most westerners wouldn't be accustomed to, but that would be nevertheless appropriate to honor, if one wanted to take part. I said, in addition, to some extent, "when in Rome," if you're going to take part in someone's private ceremony, you should honor the host's traditions. Where that extent stops would have to be up to you, the person from outside the culture, to determine. For me, it obviously stops should I feel my wife was being dishonored in any way; in the instance of this event, I said that for me, neither I nor my wife would likely have an issue for staying apart during the ceremony, but we wouldn't personally want to spend an entire evening away from each other, in a segregated experience. I said that if we had known that was what the setup was, we would not have gone. Had we not been apprised beforehand, we'd excuse ourselves as gracefully as possible, and not take part. I said, in so many words, that by not telling non-Muslims what the structure of the evening would be (an entire evening, with spouses separated, which is not something non-Muslim guests would be accustomed to), the hosts displayed ungracious behavior, in my opinion, and could have avoided this had they merely informed people ahead of time. Again, you have misread me, New.
Yep, they do, as I indicated as well. Again, speaking personally, only 2 things would be relevant, for my family - whether the practice is something we'd feel is insulting in some way, in which case we'd not go, if told ahead of time; or, if there, and were surprised by something we didn't know about ahead of time and couldn't feel comfortable taking part in, we'd find a way to gracefully leave.
Apparently most of the people are OK with that, they only have a problem when Muslims want to follow their ways which shows us their biased approach even here, most of the people who commented have supported his act
New, not sure if you're calling me, in so many words, bigoted, etc., for my thoughts as I've made them here. As I showed you above, you simply misread what I, anyway, have said - you specifically named me, and what you said was simply, false on the facts, as I showed you. More generally, it doesn't seem you're understanding the difference between not having an issue with other folks' ways (as long as no one is harmed), and not wishing to take part in those ways, if one doesn't wish to. Is this actually confusing to anyone? If so, please ask, and I'll try to restate it so it's clearer:
You can follow whatever ways you want. what you cant do is expect others to follow your ways when they don't agree with them. Expecting this man to sit through something he feels uncomfortable with is the equivalent of me expecting a muslim to eat a bacon sandwich when i invite him round for dinner. it seems to be very much a one way street with you people, it seems everyone has to bend over backwards to accommodate your cultural traditions while you stick your fingers up at ours. he doesn't agree with segregating men and women at a social function so he left. it's hardly something to get your panties in a bunch over. He hasn't said laws should be introduced to stop you doing it, he hasn't said muslims should be in prison, he simply said it's not something he wishes to be a part of.
I don't know much about Islam. But speaking generally, if you go to a wedding or any other ceremony so to speak, you are ought to get into the flavor of the ceremony, but only till something doesn't offend your own beliefs or religion. So maybe not getting to sit with his wife was really somewhat a big deal for the Brit. I am not sure, is it considered offensive in UK?
The point is not the sitting or leaving of the MP MP protested knowing the fact that it would stir a debate He projected that the segregation was an act of 'fundamentalism' or 'extremism' He left the function not for his own egoist self but to depict that Muslims have 'old medieval' practices which need to be stopped whereas there are numerous other cultural and religious events which segregate men and women but the MP never had a problem with those. Hence the bias
So what? You still seem to be under the impression that people have to abide by your rules. they don't. the sooner you start to understand this the better. Should we disrespect our wives in order to prevent a "debate" taking place? can you point to where he said any of that. I don't suppose he takes part in those events either. if i were to invite you and your wife round for lunch and when you got here you found out it was a pork themed pool party would you stay and participate out of respect for my culture or would you leave because it's not something you would like to do?
yeh, it's not there either.. again, can you point to where he said any of that? Youd be entitled to say that, you wouldn't have as much legal leverage as those who oppose imposed segrigation, but youd be entitled to say it. Would you stay or leave though?
HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT MY TRADITIONS!!! Unfortunately, for the MP, the choice to stay and not participate in segregation wasn't offered until after he had left. By which point it was too late.
Well I already said that in my last post, something shouldn't interfere with my own beliefs and I'm all for it.
It is written clearly He find it a 'big issue' "unacceptable.' and wants it to be outlawed yes, I can understand Since I am a Muslim so the 'leverage' thing automatically comes into pay
So why are you having so much trouble directing us to where he said the things you attributed to him? could it be because you just made up in the hope that we would just believe you, of all people. We oppose forced segregation in this modern progressive country of ours and we refuse to let your ilk drag us back to the dark ages, sorry about that. We have laws against discrimination based on things like gender. if people chose to do it then that's fine, but they can't be forced to do it and the law agrees.
If you have trouble understanding plain English, than sorry, I can't help you said that my opinion won't have much 'leverage' (or in other words you just wanted to say that you feel yourself to be far superior) I said that is this because I am Muslim? and in response you out of nowhere come up with this unrelated blah blah
it's incoherent babbling i have trouble understanding. So you are admitting that you lied and fabricated those "quotes"? typical. I said it wont have much leverage legally, big difference. You don't seem to be able to distinguish the difference between me being able to do something which doesn't effect you and you making people do things they don't want to. Out of interest new, what country do you live in?
I see what you're getting at. Please don't, you're represting your whole nation here, don't give it a bad name, champ.