British Petroleum (BP) bankruptcy?

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  1. Blogmaster

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    #41
    There are questions I still have about 9/11, but I also believe it's time to move on and look at what is happening now. Regardless the weapons to Nazis thing does remind me of something I will not bring up. There is too much that has not been answered in history. I've written my peace. My intention is for those who want to research for the right reasons to have an easier time looking through the mass amount of false theories out there.

    But I understand and have seen your point how it wound up being abused for propaganda. So I am done writing about 9/11 on DP. Not my blog though.
     
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    #42
    Has anyone suggested removing the blowout preventer and lowering an expandable plug (down the exposed casing) below the sea floor at the appropriate depth - expand the plug and fill the casing with cement?

    Seems simple enough and / or do something.....or find someone who will, whoever they are.
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    #43
    Something similar to that was already tried. the method to which I refer wasn't working, and the fear was the pressure from the bottom (oil gushing up) and pressure from the top( I think it was sludge type mud) going down, was going to explode the pipe, simply leaving the oil gushing and having less of an opportunity to cap or catch any of it. With so many of the attempts having failed, the "failsafe" is drilling two wells on either side of this well to relieve the pressure and divert the oil.

    completion time for this effort is not till August. Lots more oil coming out of that pipe for the next 45 days.
     
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    #44
    This is from the EPA site:


    http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/radioactive-waste-from-oil-and-gas-drilling/
     
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    #45
    It makes 'ya think that Obama doesn't care about Cajun people. :p
     
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    #46

    Originally, there was a safety valve in the casing below the sea surface for the very purpose to prevent gas buildup - the valve was one of the several failures leading to the disaster - the valve was also meant to work in such a way that if the casing needed to be sealed it would be there to trap the heavy mud neutralizing the pressures to then seal the casing with cement - the initial disaster removed the valve so when the heavy drilling mud was pumped down the shaft nothing blocked it and the mud continued beyond the casing into the terrestrial void - by lowering an expandable plug at the correct depth and following the previous steps the pressure could be neutralized and the casing sealed - nothing to stop the mud was why the initial attempt failed.
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    #47
    From what I've read, it does appear that it was an attempt at public deception, at a time when they should be focusing on solving this catastrophe rather than playing meaningless PR games and setting up photo ops. If it were a frivolous situation, it wouldn't be as bad. But, people have died, dolphins, and other sea life are being poisoned, people in the area could lose their jobs and business. I'm not sure about this, but I wonder even about the possibility of toxic chemicals in the air, and if this could increase the chances of cancer and other health conditions? I just think that area will take a long time to recover. All of these PR shenanigans, and they haven't even resolved the problem. In this article, like the others, it says they were asking for help in the area, but only had the large amount of workers on the day Obama was there, and the help left as soon as Obama and the heavy news coverage did.

    There are also reports of conflicting media coverage of this, and what Blogmaster mentioned about BP buying up the keywords for "Gulf of Mexico response" and "oil spill" for Google searches is true, it was on CNN. While I can understand BP wanting to improve the PR situation, if they just handled the situation better they wouldn't be in such a PR mess. It appears that BP's response to this disaster has been extremely poor, and yes, perhaps Obama's as well. However, with the statement, "The American people should know that from the moment this disaster began, the federal government has been in charge of the response effort" -- I think this was probably just one of those Obama feel good statements, void of any meaning at all. I don't know, just a hunch, but I don't necessarily believe that Obama planned to have 400 workers there that day, he probably wasn't even aware there were only 20 workers the day before or after.
     
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    #48
    http://twitter.com/algore

    http://blog.algore.com/2010/06/president_obama_at_carnegie_me.html
     
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    #50
    CNN seems to be gradually moving towards speaking that conclusion. More and more, they are focusing on the Coast Guard doing just that. For example, today on Meet the Press, David Gregory talked about how the Coast Guard stopped 1200 boats from cleaning up the spill. The boats had radios, they had life boats, they had life preservers. The Coast Guard stopped them because of some vague reason like no centralized radio command structure, or something like that. There doesn't seem to be any Maritime law that is being violated, and it seems to be almost an invented reason.

    BTW, if anyone has ever spoken to a member of the Coast Guard involved in drug enforcement in U.S. southern waters, they'll tell you about the questionable methods they employ and their "selective enforcement" of letting smugglers driving huge boats go by and only stopping the smaller boats.

    Look, the U.S. Navy has deep water equipment and submersibles that can easily deal with this situation that are used for submarine recovery. Also, On Meet the Press, they discussed how Canada actually conducts drills where they deliberately create leaks like this and then train with specialized equipment to seal the leak in under two days.

    I wonder, what would be the backlash of CNN coming out and openly saying that the Obama administration doesn't want to stop the leak or cleanup the oil?
     
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    #51
    I don't think they have the cojones. :p


    I never realized that BP was legally limited to a liability of $75M beyond the cleanup costs. Pretty sweet deal for them!

    BP's cash flow from operating activities was $27.7B last year. The Exxon Valdez disaster cost only $3.5B to clean up.
     
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    #52
    The Council on Foreign Relations controls the media. They won't.


    The Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group


    I doubt that a main stream media outlet can survive without membership in the U.S.

    Russia Today may be different. Little issues can be brought up, but not the ones which would shake the establishment, which real news on the oil spill would do.
     
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    #53
    These limits do not apply when there is a (A) gross negligence or willful misconduct of, or (B) the violation of an applicable Federal safety, construction, or operating regulation. In such a case, BP's liability will be unlimited.

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVE&FILE=$$xa$$busc33.wais&start=4683182&SIZE=13816&TYPE=TEXT
     
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    #54
    Judgment may not favor the present Administration but those complaining now and who coincidently were voted out of office are the culprits who's philosophy is responsible for the disaster in the first place - someone though, whoever it may be just might consider plugging the leak and if necessary do their complaining latter....patriots anyway.

    What next step is being taken for immediate conclusion is what the thread should be concerned with.
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    #55
    gasp! Judgment, presumably good judgment, doesn't favor the administration? Dost mine eyes deceive me?

    Newsflash. The majority of those who are complaining now are those who did the voting of the previous administration out of office. Perhaps you didn't get the memo.
     
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    #56
    If it can be proved in a court of law. With that type of money floating around, who will win ?
     
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    #57
    And this is where the plot thickens. The Obama Administration (a.k.a. The MMS) approved each and every step of BP's plans for drilling this well this year, including The Obama administration granting sweeping waivers for many safety measures that would have prevented this disaster. And we've already heard about BP filling in government forms in pencil, so that Government officials could trace over them in pen later.

    So, is BP guilty of gross negligence or willful misconduct if the Obama Administration approved every procedure?:mad:

    It gives every legal advantage to BP, and places Obama and the Democrats deep inside a political nightmare, which explains why Haywood smirked while he flipped off Congress, before jetting off to his yacht race.

    (BTW, Bloggy, loosen the tinfoil hat, you're getting creepy now...)
     
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    #58
    Very interesting! There are so many reams of federal regulations governing every aspect of our lives that no one can be in full compliance with all federal regulations. If the federal government can't find some regulation that BP failed to follow, it can only be because they don't want to.
     
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    #60
    "Never let a good crisis go to waste"
    Rahmbo Emanuel

    Oh wait, didn't he get handed his walking papers? Apparently citing differences between the idealists running the country?
     
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