Boycott Arab Gas - Stop Funding Terroism

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  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #41
    Agreed. Personally I would like to have the big powerful sports car, and big SUV, and I suppose we all could if the auto makers would just make them get 40MPG minimum. Car engines have become like RAM and hard drives. Hang with me for a moment here. Remember when having 16K of RAM was the bomb? It was amazing how you could fit the entire Mac OS and programs on one 400k floppy. Back then there were limitations and as such programers took great pain in making software that took up very little space, had very efficient code, and used little RAM. They did this because there was no space to waste. They were forced to work within these limitations.

    Now that RAM and HD space is almost limitless you have the NetScape Equivelents topping 80MB of space when they used to take up less than 1MB and actually were stable and fast (the net was slow of course). Anyway, I see the same with auto makers and engines. They figure Americans have little care about fuel costs (when they were low) and want the big powerful vehicles, so they give them to us without doing anything to work within tighter fuel consumption constraints like they did in the 70's during the oil crisis. Back then auto makers were forced to make smaller more fuel efficient cars. And they did!

    It's time to do it again!
     
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    #42
    Wow, I send a PM and a few bucks over PayPal and the thread gets away from me...

    I'm not saying you don't. I haven't run the numbers myself, but they wouldn't be pretty I'm sure.

    Mazda started things off when the hydrogen rotary back in the early 90's. BMW, Ford, GM, etc all have hydrogen cars in the works. BMW and Ford are the only ones that are working on H2ICE's though (hydrogen powered internal combustion engines). H2ICE's are the key to changing to a hydrogen economy because they can run on a gasoline or hydrogen or a combination thereof.

    PM me with what you're thinking...

    I can dig through my bookmarks/books if you want. But, yes, you have to consider the fuel used in harvest, transportation, the (fossil fuel) energy used to create the bio-diesel, the fuel used transporting the bio-diesel. And, there is one other big one that most people don't think of. Crops are sprayed with petroleum based pesticides.

    Sounds like a plan, could definatly save you some bucks. And, of course, there are plenty of resources on the net for do it yourself processing equipment (strainers etc).
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #43
    I'm not really sure I ever had a mullet :)

    I did have hair down to my ass though. All one length. Oddly enough if you ever make it down to the Kenosha area there is a club called the Kenosha Mullets. I think they even have a web site. Scarry stuff man!
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #44
    In the UK / Europe cars tend to be more fuel efficient. Petrol is near £1.00 a LITRE + the roads are narrow so we drive small pocket rockets generally ;) - much more fun too..

    The UK is implementing all kinds of Efficiency drives - it is at last turning into big business, we are getting more and more vocal.

    I dont want to drive some slow boring car, but I do want water to come out if its exhaust ;)
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #45
    Interesting take. It's a double edge sword I guess. Many of them will still hate Jews, yes. Many will still hate Christians. Yes, many will still hate anyone not a Muslim. But the means to cause death and destruction will be taken away.

    So now it is a bad thing to reduce reliance on foreign oil and seek alternative forms of energy?
     
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    #46
    Convert them to hydrogen (rotary, turbine, and interal combustion engines can be converted to hydrogen). Plus, if done correctly they will produce MORE POWER than their gasoline counter parts while also cleaning the air while they drive.
     
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  7. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #47
    Who gives a crap?

    Hereford, Texas does, that's who :D

    Interesting this discussion comes up. This made it to fox news yesterday and was surprised to see a little town not far from where I live into headline news:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9040472/

     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #48
    Are you sure about that? Bio-Diesel is refined with solar energy. Where is the gas used?
     
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    #49
    Yeah, go Gtech ;) we need a heavy debater like you convincing people..

    Itll stop you getting stuck in all those terror threads (although the title of this one has it in :rolleyes: )
     
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    #50

    Does anyone actually see what that means ? It is better in every way.
     
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  11. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #51
    Yep, saw it as well on Fox. I was glued to the boob tube last night. Things like this facinate me to no end. I'm just glad to see someone actually doing something about it!

    How far is this from Dallas BTW? I'll be down there in October!
     
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    #52
    This is where I stopped reading that post.

    Sorry, couldn't help myself. ;)
     
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    #53
    Not sure I understand. I saw it mentioned on CNN as well :)
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #54
    I have gotten more red reps on this thread than I have ever gotten. Amazing. Post something positive, ie., ask people to conserve a bit, stop relying on foreign oil and seek alternatives, and get red repped. That must be a good thing.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #55
    Hah, I'm all for alternative fuels! This one being right in my backyard, maybe we can get some relief here in another year or so.
     
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    #56
    I know, I know, I just can't pass up a chance to mention my disdain for Fox News.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #57
    There are a number of terrorist supporters here at DP. I suspect they don't like the idea of cutting off funding for their *buds*.
     
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    #58
    hypocracy at its best!

    This can be very productive. It actually is an area I have been interested in since I was a kid. The problem I run into is finding truth in things. You have a person on one end saying hydrogen fuel is clean (and I do understand that it is) but a someone on the other end saying there are some things not being told about production etc.. of hydrogen.

    I have personally seperated hydrogen from h2o and in order to do that using electrolysis you have to have an impurity in the water. That impurity can lead to a form of pollution.

    I am totally for hydrogen and other fuels, we just need to do it right.

    Not like electric cars that get their electricity through coal or fuel burning.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #59
    I understand. I've encounted a number of people who prefer alternative versions of reality and thus choose not to watch Fox.

    I guess that's why they are the highest rated cable news network :p
     
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    #60
    I don't think lots of money equates to lots of terror ability.

    No. Using less oil is the way to go. If societies can be become less car-centric as well it would be a huge bonus. I sold my car 5 years ago and either use public transport or walk. Now, when I'm walking along I just gaze at the long queues of four+ seater cars with only one person in side.....
     
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