Boycott Arab Gas - Stop Funding Terroism

I'll have a site on this in a couple weeks. Hydrogen is the way to go, and once you've driven in a car that actually cleans the air while you drive, you'll never look at a dinosaur burner the same way again.

I could go off on so many tangents here, but I'll just say this:

1) Econ 101, Supply and Demand. Think gas prices suck now? Wait till you cut our supply of middle eastern oil.

2) The US government and the saudi family are "tight." It will take a drive outside our government (like entrepreneurs developing and implementing alternative energy production and a hydrogen infrastructure) to solve the problem.

Hate to break the news, but aside from saving a few bucks if you know someone that owns a McDonalds, bio-diesel is a joke. It takes at least a gallon of gas to create a gallon of bio-diesel.

 

True, which is why I do not own an SUV. I bought a Motorcycle to use even less for my work commute.

 

Be quite, I know much more than you think.

I just like that mia succeed and congress pass the law.

 

Yep, I have a couple of sites too they are not 100% done, but those reading this may see it in my sig in the near future

I know the feeling

Add china buying up oil, India and africa.

It IS and it HAS - The Big Euro/ Japanese car manufacturers are all investing ALOT. In the UK we have adverts for Hydrogen cars on TV already. Let the US govt sit back, the american car market share will vanish if they dont compete - so they will.

Hydrogen and Hybrid is really the way forward from everything I have read.

Btw There are also forest fires in portugal right now (floods and fires ??)

CyberBryan maybe we can help each other..

 

I have seen several variations myself. I had this discussion with my wife. The reason it never works and is not "realistc" is because no one ever does it. If we all did, it would have an impact. A huge impact.

Other things I think should be done in the US are halt all automotive production now until the auto makers make every vehicle they make get 40MPG minimum! It's pretty sad when that is the top end of a hybrid.

Did you realize every car since 1993 was built to be able to use LP. The dealers and automakers never tell you this. You can get them from the factory with LP setup, however it is insanely expensive and you have to custom order it. I have seen places in the US charging upwards of $8,000.00 for LP conversion. It is not that expensive. I am going to buy my parts from a company in the UK. It's about 500 pounds and installation is simple. There are only five parts.

All vehicles in the US should come with LP already installed. There is no excuse for not having that option standard. It's not like there aren't enough stations carrying LP. I found 5 within a 20 mile radius of my home, and I am in a small town (about 6,000) in South East Wisconsin.

I'm going to continue to do my part to stop using foreign oil.

 

Could you point me to some proof of that statement? Are you calculating the fuels used in harvest and transportation?

I would like to see some good info on that.

BTW, I know of local restaurants that I can get the oil from to go that route.

 

How so?

I did not write the thing, I found it on the intenet after watching a guy on the news last night list the gas stations that are listed as "terror free".

Yes, under the Clinton admin (while there was NO ENERGY POLICY the entire 8 years) we dumped into our reserves as a way to artificially deflate oil prices at the pump quickly. The trouble is it is artificial and does not last. Let's not forget that the 90's "living life on borrowed time and borrowed money" philosophy and SUV craze certainly did not help. I down sized from an IROC Z28 to a more sensible Dodge Spirt, then an Olds Intrigue.

Politics aside, I really do not care whose fault it is anymore, because it is all of our problem. There are solutions, and reducing dependance is the first step.

 

Typically they do not work because no one does it. However with proper organization I think it can work. Look at the "Smoke Out Day", or banning of smoking, that seems to have gone over pretty well in many places. What about "Earth Day"? All it takes is a lack of procrastination and a little motivation.

I guess I am tired about bitching about the problem and think it might be more productive to just do something about it.

What do you say?

 

Mia, no offence but the chain mail wont work,

Lets say it goes to 50 mil people. 10 mil actually read it, 5 mil are out of its subject area (age, car ownership etc) 1 mil keep it, 500,000 print it and keep the list, 300,000 lose or forget the list, 200,000 cant get access to the 'good gas'c100,000 decide to do something, 20,000 are muslims and sympathetic towards their cause etc etc...

These figures are made up ofcourse but it just keeps dropping down + then when its not 'news' anymore its forgotten about.

Stop car dependency on oil.

A laptop battery could last you around 12-20 hours if it was made from hydrogen. - Maybe thats a better incentive

 

I have found a number of CNG vans for sale on e-bay. Most were California city owed. The problem is getting CNG around here. I haven't looked yet, but then again, not enough power to do what I need some of the time. THe good thing is they ad the CNG to a gas engine and leave the gas setup.

There is one van that is only CNG, I think being sold in NY.

 

Did you cut that nasty MULLET off also?

 

OUch.

LOL

 

Then help us! Work with us. We are in this together. We are neighbors, we share a border, and we share a great deal of polution. The "American" attitude to this that you are talking about needs to change.

I hear you on the "China" thing. That is exactly what my dad said. What we don't buy, they will. Great, let them pay the high prices and polute their continent. In the mean time we can finally begin to impliment other forms of powering engines. Grassoline comes to mind. Ethenol production from cows down in Texas? There is already a company investing 120 million in building an ethenol refinery in Texas. They say they will get rid of the cow waste hazzard and at the same time reduce fuel consumption by 1000 barrels a day.

Aside from the chain letter there are a number of other things that have to be done for this to succeed. Stop using foreign oil, drill in Alaska, start building refineries again, and continue to actually IMPLIMENT alternative forms of powering engines.

Is anyone out there using Grassoline?

 

US Department of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
Useful for finding out lots of info

 

Ok, maybe a petition website would be better than a chain mail... Ill help

 

I agree, and I think the key to hydrogen powered cars is hydrogen stations, that which we lack. We do however have (like you in the UK) tons of LP stations. Every modern car in the US can run on LP. It's up to 70% cleaner and the equivelent gas powered mileage of 106 miles as compared to LP is 180 miles. It's less expensive to boot! There is no performance decrease, and there are only 5 parts to the system. As I understand it the UK is the largest LP powered nation in the world currently.

Ironcially my Grandfather converted his 1972 Plymouth back in the 70's to LP when he moved back to Italy. He ran on LP in that old 72' Duster for 20 years!

That is what is so disturbing about the lack of insistence on other alternatives to fuel. LP is not new, nor is hydrogen. LP powered engines have been around for a LONG TIME!

 

May be you should listen to your elder, it seems your dad knows what he is talking about.

 

So, demand it, build sites, rank them for example.

I am NOT targetting fuel efficiency kind of terms.. Im going for 'Cars' and its variations - there should be NO such thing as a Hybrid or Hydrogen car, they should be CARS.


* Ads below say "Gas Station Franchise" now theres a good idea...

Imagine - I filled up at the local dp

HA

 

NO. I'm not sure how you read that into it. The war to me is on terror. It is not about oil. If it was we would have taken over Iraq and built the BUSH/IRAQ pipeline and brought the oil back to the US. If it was about oil we too (in the US) would have joined with the crooks at the UN and pocketed money and oil in the oil for food scam. If it was about oil gas prices would not be as high as they are now. They would be 80 cents/gal like it was when I started driving my Mustang in 86.

Of course approval ratings are dropping. They always do in the waining years of any President, with the exception of say Rosevelt of Reagan.

Still not sure what that has to do with getting off our reliance on foreign oil.

Because the incentives never work. People will still buy big ass vehicles if they can afford it, because after all that is the American thing to do.

There are however already several incentives many probably do not know about. Do you know you can get huge tax breaks by converting your car to use LP in many countries?

 

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