Bomb Iran, majority of Americans says in new poll

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    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bomb_Iran_majority_of_Americans_says_1030.html

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  2. soniqhost.com

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    Americans love war as long as its not longer then a min.
     
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    #3
    Another bogus poll. 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq, and now suddenly they want to go to war with Iran?

    Give me a freakin break.
     
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    #4
    Just because they are against one war doesn't mean they are against all wars, it means they don't think Iraq is working out well, or think it's a waste of time.

    Maybe they believe there are real reasons to attack Iran.
     
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    Well one thing that is proven in history is that when an empire is over stretch, the are bound to fall! What took them decades to build will rumble in mere years! Just look at the Roman empire, the Greeks, the Persian, the British, The Ottomans, the Japanease, The Germans, The USSR. They all fall when they are over-stretch.
     
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    Good point. Before Iraq I think most Americans thought, "Yeah, we'll beat Iraq easily." Nearly 5 years later they still haven't beaten a load of irregulars armed with home-made bombs; you'd think the last thing they needed was a third war.

    I think the study of British military history (from the British perspective) should be compulsory at West Point and places like that. The British continually underestimated their enemies - most notably the Germans in 1914 ("It'll all be over by Christmas". Well it very nearly was, but not the way we were expecting it). In order to beat supposedly 'inferior' opponents the British often ended up either having to throw more resources at the problem (call it a 'surge', the 2nd Boer war being a classic example), or gave it up as a bad job.

    The only way the USA can beat Iran quickly is by nuking it (not an option the British Empire used to have!)
     
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    Nah the way to beat Iran quickly is by having a proper war (bomb, bomb, bomb fight then go home) Not hang around building the place back up, like they did with Iraq.
     
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    RovingCalypso Well-Known Member

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    Like sitting snug in america and destroying half the world for no apparent reason?
     
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    Preventing delusional idiots having nukes, is a better explanation ;)
     
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    #10
    it wont prevent anyone doing anything. If anything it will make him more intent on having the weapons.

    If your reason for the war is to prevent him having nuclear capabilities explain how carpet bombing a nation killing thousands of innocent civilians is better than waiting until he starts building these facilities and then destroying them with precision attacks.

    Have people learned nothing from Iraq?
     
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    Just like the IRA should have done with England. :rolleyes:

    That butchers flag suits you sir.
     
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    I think this shows the bias of polls...it all depends on who you ask.
     
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    Certainly it would work in the short term, but Iran wouldn't be 'beaten' in the same way as Ireland wasn't 'beaten' every time the British crushed a revolt. It will just give them something to rally round, whatever resistance they offer will become a symbol of defiance.

    To pick just one similar incident from history (which I've just been reading about) one of the proudest moments in Danish history is the Battle of Copenhagen in 1801. It wasn't a Danish victory, far from it, in fact the British totally destroyed a combined Danish and Norwegian fleet in a one-sided turkey shoot. However the Danes are proud of the fact that despite the overwhelming firepower ranged against them they stood and fought. And not just the Navy, citizen volunteers streamed to the harbour forts to help man the guns. It was over 200 years ago and they STILL go on about it!

    The only way to avoid an attack on Iran becoming the Iranian equivalent of Copenhagen (or Bunker Hill or the Alamo to use two American examples) IS to stay there and change the regeime so that the new government looks back on the current government as 'misguided' (A bit like modern Germany does to the Nazis). Anything else and all you're doing is cutting the head off the Hydra. If you think they hate you now they'll REALLY hate you in 5 or 10 years time.
     
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    Israel announced a couple of days ago: "If the world not act against Iran's threats, we'll do it alone."

    Tensions are runing high after the Syria issue.
     
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    #15

    We beat the Iraq Military easily what we can't find a way to beat is the ability to stop attacks on our troops.

    And its no so much that we can't beat them since they never fight the military heads up anyway they always hit and run.
     
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    Huh are you feeling ok today, sir?
     
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    Dont tell me, you have no idea what that means?
     
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    #18
    and the way you ask it.

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    Despite the Neo-con propaganda, please, keep this in mind:
    • Iranian people are more Westernized and better educated than the average Iraqis.
    • Iran has not attacked the USA homeland
    • We invaded Iraq, they did not attack us
    • Iraq had nothing to do at all with 911 (remember the Saudis?)
    • Russian technicians work at Iranian facilities
    • You people are talking about the USA starting WW3 and mass-murdering countless people.

    Does everyone who is all "fired up and excited to attack" understand every single one of the above facts?


    Shock & Awe = Mass Murder
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    Shock & Awe = Mass Murder Shock & Awe = Mass Murder Shock & Awe = Mass Murder
     
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    Exactly! It's SO much more complex than just beating-up a third-world army and thinking that's 'Job Done'. Remember 'Shock and Awe'? The Iraqis took it on the chin, got up, looked at you and said "Is that all you've got? Prepare to spend billions more dollars and prepare to start counting your dead in thousands." Yes, we've killed loads of them (good comment about the butcher's flag Cormac) and our papers are full of stories about heroic Brits gunning down hundreds of Iraqi insurgents or Taliban fighters - and I bet you have equivalent stories. But all we're doing really is 'building the dreams'. They'll talk about this heroic struggle against the evil West for decades. In fact, seeing as they still bang on about the Crusades, make that centuries. Do you really want to make it worse than it is?
     
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    #20

    And who decides who's a delusional idiot? 250million people or 6 billion people?

    p.s. You referring to Bush right?
     
    RovingCalypso, Nov 3, 2007 IP