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Blog Challenging Dmoz, A community partcipatory system.

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by AjiNIMC, Nov 8, 2005.

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    I keep reading blogs and here is a blog which we are discussing at highrankings.com and other places.

    A community partcipation system in directory world. A team lead by a lady called Norah is making some news here.

    hedir.com/norah/ (this is her blog)

    Do you think this can challenge DMOZ? few feel it can.

    AjiNIMC
     
    AjiNIMC, Nov 8, 2005 IP
  2. Alucard

    Alucard Peon

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    That will be interesting to watch. I may even parcipate (sic).
     
    Alucard, Nov 8, 2005 IP
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    macdesign Peon

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    Might actually be good, I looked at some descriptions and at first thought they were copied from DMOZ (nice factual and unhyped), but of 5 I checked only one was listed in ODP.

    They seem to have implemented a couple of things that were suggested be implemented at ODP - but cannot be due to the underlying founding principles

    # Trading editing volunteeris, for free submissions

    # Combining free and paid submissions

    However, with only a couple of hundred sites it might take years to catch up with ODP

    I'm also concerned what checks and blocks they have against manipulation
     
    macdesign, Nov 8, 2005 IP
  4. AjiNIMC

    AjiNIMC Peon

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    I found an image on the blog explaining the process, hope it helps.

    Forgive me if it is against the tos.

    [​IMG]
     
    AjiNIMC, Nov 9, 2005 IP
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    daredashi Well-Known Member

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    although this process seems to be good, its required lot of time to mature.
    Dmoz is very big and growing. they have just started.
    Even i don't know if they managed to grow which system (currently they use forum for review) can handle no. of users (dmoz has about 6.5 lac mods)

    in my opinion this will be to early to comment on this. rather there is no challence in terms of volume. (they are online since prety good amount of time)
     
    daredashi, Nov 9, 2005 IP
  6. AjiNIMC

    AjiNIMC Peon

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    5,198,092 sites - 70,430 editors - over 590,000 categories (DMOZ details)

    I think a directory can handle such a traffic as it is not concentrated to one time zone visitors. Technology can limit no one IMO. faster servers and mulitple servers to handle million query a sec can be easily configured.
     
    AjiNIMC, Nov 9, 2005 IP
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    Alucard Peon

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    I think it remains to be seen how "manipulatable" the system is, and whether it is truly scalable.

    Pundits can speculate, only time will tell....
     
    Alucard, Nov 9, 2005 IP
  8. AjiNIMC

    AjiNIMC Peon

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    It is improving everyday which makes it scalabale. IMO
     
    AjiNIMC, Nov 9, 2005 IP
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    Alucard Peon

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    There have been many directories which have done well while the size of the directory was manageable and overseeable (i.e. less than several hundred thousand sites). Once you get above that number, the nature of the challenges faced with growing and maintaining the directory changes. The other issue is that if the directory gets to the point of a certain importance (and i will leave the reader to define what that means), you tend to draw a different crowd, wanting to influence what the directory does, and what it doesn't do.

    I agree that usually it is not technology which is the stumbling point (there are solutions for any problem out there, pretty much), but the human aspects of managing such a large team-effort.

    I think that, like any other new way of doing things, there is no real way of knowing how if will fare until you actually get there, but I congratulate the team that are working on it - quite a few editors in the ODP have gone on record saying that if someone has a better idea of how to run a directory, then they should go ahead and do it, and I, for one, applaud the effort, and wish it every success.
     
    Alucard, Nov 9, 2005 IP
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    Thanks for the link, this looks interesting. They seem to have a good attitude and I look forward to seeing where they take it. :)
     
    compostannie, Nov 10, 2005 IP
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    DMOZ does use its internal forums to discuss borderline sites. There is also continuous peer review in that any editor with the rights can re-examine and alter a listing decision for or against a site at any time. With near 5 million listed sites that is probably as far as we can go but a system that requires compulsory peer review on every listing would seem to me to be unwieldy once past a certain number of sites. It will be interesting to see how it develops and how it adapts over time.
     
    brizzie, Nov 11, 2005 IP
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    I thought you guys shouldn't miss the chance of winning ipod shuffle at this directory. You can win it by being 1000th member, compete with me for it :).

    [​IMG]
     
    AjiNIMC, Nov 15, 2005 IP
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    why not run a directory with a similar scheme to digg.com (instead of sites being promoted when they get a certain number of diggs, they instead get included to the directory, or at very least added to the submission queue (from which a site cannot be deleted unless it's now 404), just snt to the right directory by appointed editors?
     
    bradley, Nov 16, 2005 IP
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    Just dug up this old thread. Hedir is on its way to a higher gear.
     
    hedir, Jan 16, 2006 IP
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    EGS Notable Member

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    Link to blog doesn't work!!!
     
    EGS, Jan 16, 2006 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    Sure it does:

    http://www.hedir.com/norah/

    It says:

    But what disturbs me is that they are using phpBB here in their forum with the copyright information removed. That's low. It's pretty close to theft of copyright. If you're going to use freeware and open source software, give credit to the people who allowed you to use it without paying for it :mad:
     
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    I agree minstrel and I have started a thread at hedir asking a reason for it http://www.hedir.com/groupthink/about11889.html . Hopefully they will put the link back.

    Giving credit is a must IMO.
     
    AjiNIMC, Jan 17, 2006 IP
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