I see many list of free and paid directories. Some directories are really a waste of time and nothing else. Why to submit to 1300 crap directories - help with seo ? I dont think so. Directories now become like "link farming".Search engines deindex crap directories. I think it is useful to have a blacklist directories(or a kind of sandbox until they do a good directory): Directories that: - use nofollow links - that never approve free submissions - full of crap or advertising - only paid with PR0 on inner pages - submission approval timeliness - that say "free submission" and then send you a bill - if you not put a reciprocal link(if is optional) they never approve -after you submit free link, they send you e-mail to link them back. If you don't link them afterwards, they remove your link. - use a jump script instead of a direct link -that gathering email addresses for phishing attempts, crap advertising for drugs,viagra...,spam -dynamic links; -that use cross linking
that never approve free submissions----if they are paid ones? only paid with PR0 on inner pages--- if they are new ones?
Do you really mean it? I never seen any directory that matching with what you've said.Do you have the example of the site? p.s:Just curious, peicom
-are directories with free and paid option , but they submit only for the paid sites;the free option is to put them on free list(for promotion) - if I want to pay to get listed on a directory, that must be a good directory, that have inner pages PR1 or more; if the domain have a PR4 and the inner page where you get listed is not indexed or have a PR0 , you get nothing; PR0 links you can get from FFA pages,so... If it is a new directory I think it must have a free submsion option too until it become a quality directory and have reputation. I understand that you have directories , but you must have quality.And is true when I say Google not indexing or deindexing crap directories,because directories are now like link farming.How much directories appear in one day 100,1000?
I think you must look if the page is indexed and better if not on supplemental results, but as you know PR updates only each 3 months and sometimes gives wrong number, so I don’t think you should give big importance at the displayed PR.
ok I understand your point , but I dont look only at PR or Google I look also for links,index at Yahoo and MSN. Many directories disappear in 6 months period from the "born".I submited to 20 directories(this is a sample) and after 8 months are only 9 directories on the net. Many people do directories only for money, if is not working by.How much traffic have low and medium quality directories ? They are only for links. Should I pay to a not established directory(let's say 12-40$ for ever)?
How to spot the directories that will last… One of the first things you should look is a custom template, if they have one, there is same permanent value created and if the owner gets feed up of reviewing sites will try to sell it and other person will pickup the work. Links are a good sign also, but they can be bought for 1 month to 1 year and then they and then not renewed, but if the owner as some permanent links, like permanent regular links on other directories there is some permanent value created there, featured links will normally expire so not a good benchmark. From experience directories that charge less than $15 for regular link will be very hard to give decent promotion and survive, they will have to rely on quantity or increase prices on the future. Look for directory owners that have a track record like Chris (Alive) Jeff (Aviva) and many other here a DP.
- use nofollow links Simply don't submit, it's their site their decision they are in no way hurting you, I don't see a reason for blacklisting them and potentially hurt their business. - that never approve free submissions How are you going to prove it? Will you use as evidence that they didn;t accept your sites when from my experience it is more than possible that when a submission isn't accepted it's the submitters fault (bad title, bad description, wrong category, crappy site) - full of crap or advertising Their choice once again. They are providing a free service and want to monetize it. I don't see anything wrong with that. What do you expect that directory owners simply will spend their money and time so that you can enjoy the free backlinks. They invest time and money and expect to get at least some of those money back. - only paid with PR0 on inner pages All sites start from PR0. Even more most directories add categories all the time. I have several pr0 categories in my directory that were simply added after the pr update. - submission approval timeliness I suppose they should hire and pay a few editors to modify bad titles/descriptions and move sites to the correct categories so everyone else enjoys free quality backlinks. - that say "free submission" and then send you a bill That's bad indeed - if you not put a reciprocal link(if is optional) they never approve Again how are you going to prove it -after you submit free link, they send you e-mail to link them back. If you don't link them afterwards, they remove your link. That's also bad - use a jump script instead of a direct link See number 1 -that gathering email addresses for phishing attempts, crap advertising for drugs,viagra...,spam That's bad as well but how are you going to identify them? -dynamic links; Please explain -that use cross linking Please explain
Maybe blacklist is not good let's say "un-useful directories" - use nofollow links From big directories like Yahoo in a medium category you get 30-40 users per month.From medium and small you get something in traffic ? So,directories are for links.If a directories use nofollow I have no link so it is "un-useful".If it is free I lose some time , but if I pay? -dynamic links and jump scripts a direct links use your anchor is useful, but if you use php or java script for the link you will have www.direxample.php=543534534? or <script nd,a,dsa=da </script> For the php maybe or maybe not the search engine will see the link but is un un-target link or a redirect link, for java script you have no links so for that is unsefull.And I say again: if it is free I lose some time , but if I pay? - that use cross linking - Let's say I have 2 directories dir1,dir2 and the directories have the same design, but the same database and are cross linking one in other. After a time search engine filters start to deindexing and "penalize" such of directories.That's happening on sites too, not only on directories.So I pay for a PR2 inner link page but after 2 months the search engine deindexed that page, so after 2 months I have no link. -full of crap or advertising : who are visiting a directory? 99% webmaster.So what is happening if you have to links and a 20 banners?I hate people that try to trick me to click on a banner.I click if I find the text ad useful or I like the directories and I click to say "thanks" to the webmaster. If you have a good,quality directories people will pay for the link. -only paid with PR0 on inner pages- I say again (please read the up post); if I want to pay to get listed on a directory, that must be a good directory, that have inner pages PR1 or more; if the domain have a PR4 and the inner page where you get listed is not indexed or have a PR0 , you get nothing; PR0 links you can get from FFA pages,so...I dont look only at PR or Google I look also for links,index at Yahoo and MSN. If it is a new directory I think it must have a free submsion option too until it become a quality directory and have reputation. - how are you going to prove it: I am subjective but if 99 people from 100 say "that directory" is unseful I will not loose my time an money on it. Why people remove MFA sites and low pay ads? How they are proving that a ads or a niche ads are low pay? (if 99 people from 100 say that). So is about statistic.I subjective but 99 maybe are objective, no? 99 0f 100 is only a sample number por example. I just only that people do quality directories.No it is a run: who had more directories.1000/months? If will have too many "crap" directories seach engine will adjust their algoritm to not count links from obscure directories.Maybe you know about Trust Rank and the Pubcon Convention in Vegas.
I don't know any paid directory using nofollow (business.com did it for a while) for paid links. Some use for the free ones but that's a totally different matter, you want the link, pay for it Simply don't pay, they are not that hard to spot. Noone will give you a guarantee that you will have a certain indexed and cached link whether you paid for it or not. Simply because it's not under directory owners control. Don't you try the same at your website My directory has inner pages that are mostly PR5-3 but I still have pr0 categories simply because I add categories from time to time or change them. I guess you ae one of the many submitters that would prefer submitting to an irrelevant category simply because the appropriate one doesn't have any PR yet. Again who will be those 100 people, how will you be able to make the system open enough so it doesn't get abused? It's not a matter of a majority here because you will never have a large enough sample. The analogy with MFA is totally wrong, I can actually see when a site is MFA I don't need a list and I know that MFA pay low for various reasons related with the adwords system. I heard of Trustrank long ago, but you are the one still talking about pagerank
I always use the site: operator before submitting to any directory. You wouldn't believe how many directories' deep pages are not even in the search engine indexes, and they expect you to pay them for your listing!!
We are all subjective but the all world is subjective First I said that 99 from 100 is a sample could be 20 000 from 23000 or else. Let explain: People asking about lists with best free & paid directories to submit their sites, best directory articles and best tools .... This list are made buy a sample of people, that are subjective and is not a "large enough sample", but people ask for them ! Maybe are better directories,no?Maybe in this list it is a bad (use phishing,sapm) directory?This is not un abuse? On dp are membres that say that they have a bad experience with a site, another member did not pay them for there work or else. So you pay to get un link on a directories.But the webmaster get the money and not puting the link or put a nofolow link.(and is from West Samoa).What you do? You came here write your problem with that directory, we discuss the experience of others with that directory (because you are subjective) and 99 opinions are more objective. And now other user know what is with that directory. Second, I say that are list with sites that pay a little(MFA or not MFA). The list is subjective, based on experience of a sample people.We dont realy know if they pay 0.03 or 0.21. The PR is important, even some people say is not so important.But I didnt see for a major word that a PR2 site to be in front of a PR4 or a PR6 in front of a PR8. I say for a major word, because maybe optimized for a sentence like " best software for inteligent cars".And maybe is in front of PR4, but for "car" or "software" I dont think so.
My point is that when you create a blacklist of any kind you may hurt legitimate businesses and in this case legitimate directories. If a submitter submits to a directory and doesn't receive what he paid for he can do a chargeback (no matter if the directory owner lives in West or South Samoa), if a directory loses business because a disgruntled submitter that got his sites rejected/moved to a different category/modified to comply with the directory's TOS etc lists the directory in a blacklist the directory owner can't do much about it.
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I think it is a better use of time to just list the good directories. Stick to lists that are updated regularly. Why spend your time on the sites your don't feel are worth using? There are several sites that have lists of the worthwhile directories.