Blackhat myths and facts

If you need a hug just let me know buddy. We are here for you

 

LOL Everyone meets again for the next shootout?
What can I say, I have my first grey hat domain now. I have written a bunch of neat scripts (mainly for whitehat though, but some dark side stuff also) and now I want to see how this experiment goes for me. I guess I was a bit intrigued.
So far no traffic, but I haven't really done much in terms of link building.

Well it's an experiment that I may or may not throw away in the future. I want to see which way works. Its like an experimental thing. I guess one could say I have started my own research now, since there is so much BS out there and everyone and their dog has an opinion.

It has one significant upside: I learned a lot of PHP in the past couple of weeks, that will come in handy no matter what the outcome.

In the meantime my WH stuff sees a significant uptick in traffic. Caught me completely by surprise.

 

I'm new to the SEO/SEM deal...about 7-8 months in from my first website which is 100% completely WH, to a few affiliate sites all WH and then signed up for 18t's SEC deal...the traffic alone generated from his system to those WH sites has made it easily worth it in my mind. You call it blackhat? why because we choose to work more efficiently? I did the work of the white hat site, made google what they wanted, but why wait around for years to develop links and traffic income when you can get GOOD TARGETED TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW...? honestly? why wait?

The bh domains I currently have up do nobody any harm, nobody ever sees them but google...you complain cause I rank better for your keyword with an auto generated site? because I chose to go the extra step? I went outside the "box" and did something everyone else looked down upon? guess what, I win, this is about making money, everyone here I would assume is putting food on the table, so yea you go tell me what I should and shouldn't do to take your money out of your pocket. again i ask...why wouldn't you?

hacking/defacing/leeching/cheating adsense those are all things i as well dont agree with, but if you can increase your inbound links/traffic by merely "beating" google why not?

 

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Because I can rank on the first page of google without a single incoming link from an article using just correct H1 tags. I am surprised sometimes and my traffic started to explode. Thats what trustrank is and thats what you cannot get with your approach.

You call signing up for someone's script "going outside the box"? Sorry but this is my response:
Have you ever heard of footprints? Have you ever thought about programming your own and doing something noone else has done before?
Have you ever found your own loopholes before anyone else did?
A real blackhat is person with a lot of understanding of current state of the art technology who can exploit it to his/her benefit. NOT someone who signs up for an automated script and uses it. Those are lemmings wearing a little black hat thinking they are all so awesome.

 

Why don't you tell us of your methods? Are they the ones we are assuming? Spamming forums, blogs and access logs?

By the way, I'm not against any form of marketing unless it hurts other people. If you are able to get higher in the search engines than me even though I have gone by the book and put hours of hard work in my SEO and marketing efforts, that's fine with me.

My only problem is with people attacking my forum and community. So, I would like to know specifically what you do. If it's malicious, then in my opinion you're a dick. If it's just "questionable" but, not really hurting anyone then, IMO maybe you're not so bad after all.

Either way, I'm not going to narc on you to the authorities, but I'd appreciate your honesty. I mean, you are the one that started the thread on the subject. You talk about it like you have nothing to hide, so lets hear it.

 

Honestly, I have my boundaries. I refuse to spam forums and other more public communities like that. I personally run several message forums so I know how much of a PITA it can be to go through cleaning up spam daily. I work as hard as I can to make sure the links I put out are as targeted and on topic as I can. I find this far less spammy for one, but it also helps as we all know having themed incoming links. I'm not going to spill all of my secrets, but that gives you an idea of where i'm coming from.

 

I received a couple pm's asking me to explain cloaking a bit more. I put up a post on thedarkseo.com forum if anyone is interested in reading it.

 

the "box" i was referring to is the one you and you're elitist friends are sitting together in pointing and laughing at those who dare to do different. Yes I've heard of footprints, yes I've thought about programming my own tools, and obviously I've thought about doing something nobody else has done...what entrepreneur type hasn't? I've been in the business 8 months, starting with zero knowledge of servers/html/search engine mechanics, I have taken large strides far faster than the average person in this industry, my income is far above average for someone with my experience and knowledge and more important than any of those...my drive far exceeds the norm. For now, yes I am a lemming, doing what any un-experienced scribe would do...absorbing everything i read/hear/experience like a sponge and weeding out the useless/negative information (like your reply to my post). So for your post based on an ignorant view of my actions all I can say is this...

btw, don't think you're special with your h1 tag only top 10 rankings...my lame little 6700 site ranks in the top 10 for multiple keywords with ZERO articles submitted (I've still never submitted an article lol) I'm not sure now about the pr as its been fluctuating, but that domain for the past 2-3 weeks has been pr4 as well as most of the sub pages are pr3-4 as well...from nothing more than good (atleast I think) on page SEO and a few directory submissions. That didn't get me 61,670 current indexed pages that link to RELEVANT content based on the user's search.

again i ask...why not? Argue all you want, I've been here less than a year and am about to close the doors to my own "real" business to focus all of my time on my websites...I don't have to wait years, why should I?

 

I guess you need to read my posts again. First of all, I have nothing whatsoever against someone doing blackhat.
Secondly, I have admitted to have dabbled with those things myself.
Again, ranking for a non competetive term (and doing it on a massive basis) is not that hard, I was refering to highly competetive terms, that I can outrank other sites with tons of inbound links for. I am not going to argue about the value of a trusted site with you.
Also I have not looked down on you, I have rather challenged your statement that you are someone who thinks out of the box.
So lets recap what I said, and this time you should try to understand this:
I have said that blackhat means a solid understanding of algorithms, programming and being able to go beyond setting up a few splogs and signing up for SEC.
Just because I have Word on my machine doesn't make me a writer.

 

I seem to have misunderstood your prior posts, points well taken.

 

So true! On occasion we have someone that clearly has no understanding of the internet or seo sign up and use the software. Of course they go off unsatisfied. You need a clear understanding of what you are doing before you use any tools white or black. Gather some knowledge, then get started . The best black hats started as great white hats.

 

For that matter, your tool strikes me as incredibly easy to use (from the video tutorials I saw a while ago). So bottom line, you have made it quite easy for people to get their feet wet, although I would much rather go the geeky route myself and learn all the skills myself. This way i can tweak and adjust things to my needs.

 

Zee Master Chef only cooks his own meals

 

It's really our first project to kick off our software company. Our goal is to create powerful small business applications that are easy to use. Software doesn't have to be difficult in order to work well (that's the direction we are trying to go at least). Look for us later this year in the non seo sectors .

 

BH is not bad. Knowing BH is another way to learn WH. I haven't really been into real BH yet since I don't really have throw away domains

It's so typical for WH wembasters to say "you will be banned from G". And if you are BHing with throw away domains, I don't see how they can argue with their SEO belief.

I'm GH, so I like to sit and watch you guys entertaine me

 

This is true. I was a WH webmaster for about 2 years before I "crossed over". So i already have alot of knowledge. Unforutanitly people who first see these type of software get all excited and think its a get rich quick scheme. BH is far from that. You have the do the same amount of work as a WH, if not more. You can't just jump into BH not knowing anything. You are bound to fail, you need alot of knoweldge about SEO and how things basicly work around the internet. But believe me, if you know what your doing, and you know how to do it to perfection you can make alot of money. This is my 2nd 1/2 month into SSEC (technicacly) and I've made $x,xxx so far in january.

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Mike

 

Hey eight, when you ip cloak someone to a website will that website see yours as a referrer?

 

atlesat for me no. My proof? Well, you know how CJ has a warning that you are having invalid clicks because maybe a promo ended? Well, I clicked the little warning, and it showed what the Promo was, and where they came from. To my surpise all the reffers was from the search engines, rather than my "spam sites".

 

Ahh, that makes sense and I'm happy to hear that, I'd like to get some confirmation from eight though.

Thanks for the reply mike.