BLACK FRIDAY Jagger Syle

Discussion in 'Google' started by Barre Tire, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. #1
    Now I don't know if Jagger is over or not.. Honestly I hope not but either way alot of us got hit hard by this one. Our Black Friday happened the middle of October or earlier for some people. I just wanted to bring up some thoughts that may or may not be true I want to stress that they are just thoughts..

    Alot of people have touched on the subject that Google does this every year around this time.. Alot of it doesn't make sense to me however alot of it does..After a month of ups and downs it seems funny that everything settles just before Black Friday. It also seems funny that it apperas that Google stocks have also skyrocketed since the beggining of this and that people are spending more money on Adwords. If you are a retail site and got hit byt this update what are you to do when you are used to a certain amount of traffic...Just give up?? I think not... You gotta do what you gotta do and that to most means spend money on Adwords.. It would make sense to scramble the results from Googles perspective since the sites that were doing good are not using Adwords all that much and the ones that shot up in the serps that were normally way back in the results are spending alot of money on Adwords. So the sites that gained so much will stay spending the money and probably more and the sites that lost will have no choice but to start doing the same...

    This is not my belief of what is happening or happened totally just some thoughts.. What do you think?
     
    Barre Tire, Nov 25, 2005 IP
  2. ROAR

    ROAR Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    I think Wall Street has no idea about the daily turmoils of those people involved with SEO.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    I'm about back to pre-jagger traffic levels right now, but I'm increasingly concerned that google traffic is fleeting anymore and not as predictable nor reliable as it used to be.
     
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  4. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    No but Wall street does have to do with Googles income correct and if more people are spending money on Adwords Google is making more money correct?
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    #5
    Im back to 90% pre jagger and yeah I think the traffic is overall less stable.


    No, not really, when the IPO was launched lots of traders were saying its over priced and yahoo was a better option. Which if you knew anything about Google at the time you would have know those shares would rise very nicely indeed. They keep track of the PR of a company, its overall position and plans etc..not enough of them get their hands dirty and look closely - so I would think it would be hard for you to find many traders that have ever heard of jagger, bourbon or any of the issues like that (other than those focused solely on the firm, SEs or similar technology).
     
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    ROAR Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    Earnings are not reported daily- so I disagree.
     
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  7. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    Makes sense I do not know anything about the stock market like I said these were all thoughts.
     
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  8. Barre Tire

    Barre Tire Peon

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    As far as search the thing I have noticed is that the craigs list results are again appearing which I remember seeing last year at this time they then dissapeared around january. It could be my imagination however.
     
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  9. DarrenC

    DarrenC Peon

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    What is this jagger.. I mean, I haven't seen any major changes to serps over the last two months.

    Has this update messed up a lot of websites ranking?
     
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    Design Agent Peon

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    Yeah, I got slammed on 2 sites almost 100% in G for quite a while. Check the Mcdar thread, type jagger in the search here, look at seroundtable, matt cutts or almost anywhere else for traces of jagger..

    My sites are pretty much back.
     
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    Barre Tire Peon

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    WOW I didn't expect that question.. Sounds like you are one of the lucky ones that haven't been put through the pain and agony of following this over the past 30 or so days..
     
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    ROAR Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    I am superstitious, so I will refrain from further comment.
     
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    sGroup Peon

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    Is it just me or are others here seeing more of the shopping comparison sites listed below in the top 20.

    AOL Pinpoint
    Become.com
    Froogle
    MSN Shopping
    NexTag
    PriceRunner
    PriceGrabber
    Shopping.com
    Shopzilla (BizRate)
    Smarter.com
    Yahoo! Shopping
    ShopLocal.com
    BottomDollar.com
    DealTime.com
    mySimon.com
    PriceSCAN.com
    StreetPrices.com
     
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  14. aeiouy

    aeiouy Peon

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    Yeah google has a conspiracy by where they move people down in the serps and others up and their revenue goes up regardless of who is where.

    The conspiracy theories are nice and all, but it would be better if there were a shred of anything to actually support them.

    Moving people around in the serps doesn't necessarily make google more money.
     
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    Google makes way more money by delivering better search results to end-users than anything they could ever hope to capture by delivering more adwords dollars.

    Google follows a similiar path as Berkshire Hathaway:

    1.) Don't focus on short-term profitability.
    2.) Keep stock prices high (ridiculously so, in the case of BH) to scare away day traders and other investors not in for the long haul.
    3.) Reveal as little information to traders as possible.

    Smart investors know that a company that delivers a superior product (in this case, a better search engine) will be a better investment in the long run than one that can churn out higher profit margins every quarter. It's the average investor (day traders and the thousands of "financial advisors" who have little more than a GED) that cause massive, reactionary, clueless stock price shifts.

    What would you rather have? 20,000 customers buying your product today, but no more after that, or 1,000 buying it today, 2,000 tomorrow, 3,000 the next day, and so on and so forth, because they keep coming back for more? That's what Google, Yahoo, and a few others are aiming for. It's customer loyalty, and it'll beat out any other financial asset any day of the week.
     
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    Someone would have to do the research to see how these updates truly effect the bottom line of Google's profit margins. We can only speculate otherwise... but I would be interested at some point to know if and how substantial AdWords profits increase after these updates. One may be able to reasonably draw a parallel then...

    The big guys draw traffic to the internet and just like in the "brick and mortar world" the small and mid-size guys are the backbone of e-commerce. My guess is a sizeable portion of Google's income is derived from this segment of hard working webmasters and entrepeuners...
     
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    good search engine is not a manipulated one. therefore, the more we here shout about bad results, the happier every search engine is. here it is google as they reached top position in their segment.
    they want to make sure that SEO experts die of hunger as this will prove that their search results cannot be manipulated by any human being. they know it and that is their target. the more we whine the happier they are.
     
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  18. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    I bought my first adwords after jagger

    many of my old clients have had to greatly increase the adwords budget

    I boubt they are by themsleves
     
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    I'm 110% pre-jagger and gaining some keywords, but still, during jagger 2, my rankings dropped a lot. :(
     
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    Roar, yes I think I should of kept my mouth shut lol!
     
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