Big Brother Out Of Control! - "Cameras in Private Homes" and "Businesses"

1) You you are trying to assert bullshit. Anyone anywhere can take a picture of anything presented in public. PERIOD

2) Why is a blown up skirt with underware being exposed private? Are you going to make exceptions to the rule to fit an agenda? Sounds like it.

3) I did not steal anything, I took a picture in public. Another one trying to put words in people's mouths they did not say or even imply.

4) I do not need an invitation to be in public.

You have failed to make your point, quit while you are behind.

I have put two senarios on the table where your right to freedom in public has failed and cameras have failed to provide security. More cameras won't change that.

I suppose gun control made you safer too, huh?

 

Which is why yo-yo is so outraged. His perceived right to commit crimes with a reasonable expectation of getting away with it is dwindling away.

Sucks to be him

 

As to point #3, I misread the statement before, but it has nothing to do with anything.

The right to privacy is the expectation of being secluded from outside entities except those invited, if any.

I have no idea what point 4 means. Who said you need an invitation to be in public?

Privacy rights are not stable, mainly because it's not in the constitution. If we lived solely by the text in the constitution, Americans would have no right to privacy. However, some words have been extrapolated and expanded to insinuate the right to privacy and through our Judicial branch of government, that has become a reality to some point. The battle rages on and what's private and public will continue to shift with each court case.

 

You can't even remember or re-read your onw words?

The "environment" in question is the public.

Are you a moron or do you just play one on the internet?

You cannot and have not proved that cameras can make us safer. In fact, there is tangleble evidence cameras do not curb crime.

You are also failing in your attempt to make the public an invite only area and private.

Please leave the debate to the adults with higher IQ's.

Thank you very much.

P.S. I hope tax dollars did not pay for your education, cause I feel ripped off!

 

What in the world makes you think a criminal has the capacity to understand they will get caught if there is a camera and not commit a crime?

What makes you even think they care?

There is crime commited on camera everyday with criminals commiting crimes despite that. What proof can you present that more cameras will change that? I submit you have none!

Again, did gun control make you safer? Do you still believe that criminals will put their guns down?

 

When did I ever say this? I don't like the idea of public video cameras.

Also, I was formally educated and you evidently were not, as evident by your repeated ad hominem attacks.

How about you start over and figure out what my stance was. You already confused me with someone else. All I am saying is that there is no right to privacy in the constitution and if there where government run video camera's in public, which I am against, it would not be an infringement on rights.

 

You are truely not competent my friend. You asserted a four point post against my postition.

Now that I've handed you your ass, you're trying to say we agree?

Do you have a fever?

 

I agree.

Big Brother IS getting out of hand; it is causing more problems than it is solving. Not sure how we'll reverse course.

To all those people who say, "If you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to be afraid of.": What a stupid comment.

The onus is not on me to explain why I have the right to be left alone; the onus is on our "authorities" to explain why they think they have the right to constantly invade our lives. (They don't) I might not send any deep, dark secrets in letters, but a law requiring all mail to be sent as postcards (for all to read) would be downright offensive.

What happened to the West's respect for the individual, privacy, freedom, and democracy?

 

This is why banks with 18 cameras and 30 witnesses are robbed everyday, you (and bamaboy) are what we call "a genious".

 

It all started on January 20th, 2001 (Bush became president)... at least the worst of it all started then

 

Get back to me when you have found the right to privacy, and where it exists, in the constitution.

It's online so it should be an easy google for you.

 

George Orwells book 1984 seems to be more and more of a reality for everyday that goes. You can't stop this but you can atleast try to become the BigBrother.

 

Russia's secret police has set up a several security cameras in Moscow and St Petersburgh. That helped them to catch some British spyes one month. I think Bush is thinking the same. They want to catch other governments spyes.

 

My own life is going fairly well, but the world in general is nuts. You need to get out of fantasy land and come back to reality. I can't stand middle class Americans with middle to upper income who think everything in the world is great just because "their" little neck of the woods is ok.

Look, go down to a shelter and talk to some homeless people, or spend time talking to a vietnam vet who got paralyzed and got his benefits cut from the government, like my grandfather got his benefits cut.

My damn power bill is a hundred bucks more than it was two years ago, and 20 bucks can hardly buy any groceries anymore. America is dying, and you can believe all the pie in the sky crap you want to believe.

You and other people here at DP are just pissed because me, yoyo, and anthonycea start threads about the truth, and everyone here knows its the damn truth.

The government doesn't care, rich powerful people run everything. We've got a vice president who shoots someone without a permit and doesn't get in trouble, and they are putting up cameras and you people are happy.

Why don't you people just bend over backwards for the government. Go ahead, let Bush eviscerate the constitution and declare martial law. Maybe you'll gladly go to the relocation camp when the next "staged" terror attack happens.

Wake up. The governments taking your rights everyday. American is dying, and hiding under a pillow won't get you anywhere. The truth always hurts, and people never want to hear about it.

I've posted articles in this thread where the government talks about shutting down the net. I've posted video clips of old women getting tackled and forced out of their homes during Hurricane Katrina, I've posted links to videos of generals who don't know the 4th amendent, and I've got video clips where they say their is an Bilderberg group and they want a world government.

Then yoyo posts threads about cameras and violations of our privacy. How much more evidence do you need to see that this is all not a damn coincidence and something is seriously wrong with our society, our country?

 

As I said before, those security cameras have a function, it is there because the government needs to catch russian and chinese spyes.

 

You're kidding, right?

"upon probable cause". Where is the probable cause for having a camera on this corner you want one on? Having probable cause would indicate you know who will commit the crime as well as possibly when.

There is no reason to video tape the general public. PERIOD

We have enough evidence on the table already to prove cameras in public do nothing to prevent crime.

Cameras do serve as great evidence after the fact however and solve crimes. Evidence is collected on film and later reviewed to see who did a crime.

Now let me ask you this, some of you say that cameras should not be feared if you are not doing anything wrong.

Now ok, if you are not doing anything wrong and are not the type of person that would, why is your goverment so hell bent on collecting evidence on you via camera?

What's up with that?

 

Allow me to add...

 

Yep, only young angry white males with low IQs have an intellect higher than the average person to see the world through the kaleidoscope glasses that Alex Jones gives them. And while you guys sit on his site every day, salivating for the next hot fear pimping straight off the looney bin farm, he's making millions by pimping your mind full of fear.

There have always been and always will be people that are poor. If it were not for VA benefits, my Uncle would have died of cancer. I used my VA benefits to buy a home. But why pretend you care about them, when the very people that pretend to champion every little cause are the same ones that dump on them every day by casting them all as torturers? You simply use them as pawns for whatever story ol' Alex has pimped you today.

Yeah, and when you were breast feeding, my electric bill was $40 bucks a month and it's a lot higher than that today. Gas prices were a buck and some change per gallon. Home prices were much lower. Groceries were much lower. It's called cost of living and over time, prices go up, salaries go up, the cost of living goes up and the chances of living go down. It's not a new phenomena exclusive to young angry white males with low IQs that suddenly feel the sky is going to fall on them. $.39 cents won't get me a gallon of milk anymore and $.10 cents won't get me a Coke. Yet for some reason, I and many others in the world seem to "get it" that the cost of living goes up. Get used to it, it's called life.

I hope the guy isn't pissed! That you and yo-yo sit on prison planet all day long waiting for Alex to pimp out the next saga of fear so you can rush over and inform the world of your grasp of worldly affairs is a constant reminder to me personally, that life is pretty good! I enjoy correcting you and making your posts look silly. It brings sort of a personal satisfaction that's almost indescribable, yet so rewarding

I never got a job from a poor person. There's no magic wealth fairy that comes around at night and drops off bundles of money for those not willing to work hard and earn their share. If there is, I certainly missed that fairy! There is no hunting permit for shooting people that I'm aware of. But to correct you, as usual, he had a permit, he did not have a stamp. He sent in payment for the stamp. Even the victim describes it as an accident, but young angry white males with low IQs to the rescue!!! They have the intellect to see an alternate reality that even those there could not possibly see!

There is no martial law and there is not going to be any. But someone made their wealth and riches by feeding your mind that such will happen. Will that relocation camp be next to the nut farm? I'll be sure an wave hello when I get there!

Not in the least bit. You make this argument, but fail miserably every time to point out any rights that are being taken away. You have no right to privacy in public. If you are an al qaida terrorist, then you might be a little nervous about now, but otherwise, it's all in your mind. So important do you feel you are to society, that you feel little men in black suits are monitoring everything you do, as if it matters. News flash: they have better things to do with their time by going after real threats, than nut jobs who are convinced they are on to some highly classified spying operation because they have a higher intellect than the average person.

And they've been debunked, time and time and time again.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=527619&postcount=217

The video you posted, cut and clipped together. I missed the cut and clipped together general video. I also saw the joke of a video on unca Alex' site yesterday about their scientific ballistics demonstration regarding Cheney. As usual, missing were anything scientific, the "experts" they claimed were there, the use of anything scientific at all, such as ballistics gel forms rather than a kung fu rubber dummy. In fact, the "experts" were no where to be seen, except a brief glimpse when some guy bends over into the camera scene to look for something.

Take a look at the post above, where I debunked yo-yo. Ol' Alex fabricated a video with a date/time on it to pretend he predicted 9/11. Yet it never appeared anywhere on his site, according to archive.org before OR after the attacks. No gloating (and gloating is important to someone who claims to predict the future, just ask them!) and in fact, at that time, supported that it was terrorists with the twist that the government knew about it. But over time, and realing the potential earnings, it's evolved WAY past that with a complete new story line.

Your mind is being controlled by someone that has no less than five ads on any given page of his sites urging you to buy something that will expose something that only he and his minions are capable of seeing. It's tabloid journalism targeted at young angry white males with low IQs. All the while, he's making his riches off guillible people by pimping them daily fear. It's a never ending cycle of fear pimping. Overwhelm the user. The truth doesn't matter, just take a photo and make up a story to go with it and put as much of it as possible out there, so your mind will be so overwhelmed, you can't keep up with it all. It keeps you on the site and keeps you making him money.

You have no right to privacy in public. I know this, everyone else seems to know this. When I go to Walmart (in public), I know the second I hit that parking lot, I'm on video. From the parking lot to every isle of the store, I know I'm on video. That video helped capture a murder/rapist in Texas last year that fled to Arizona. It helped catch some "gang banger wannabees" in my town when they fired on some guy they were after.

I know there is a camera at the busy intersections. I'm damn glad they are there, because I get tired of waiting for those turning in my path and deliberately running red lights that hold ME up when my light turns green, because they are too impatient to wait their turn. Maybe after 3-5 tickets, they'll rethink their self-centeredness.

You don't have the right to privacy in public. Where there are people, you will be seen. If you want privacy, stay in mother's basement. If you want privacy, stay in your home. If you want privacy, buy a 300 acre ranch in Montana where you can display big jim and the twins to all the wildlife you want without someone pointing and snickering

Good heavens, surely there is aids in the corn

 

Complete BS Gtech. No one ever said anything when I posted the links. Besides, what is there to debunk? The only thing I hear when I post links is "yeah, Bilderberg isn't a secret, I knew about it" from the same people who say "one world government is a conspiracy theory."

How can you debunk a video clip of a general getting the 4th admendment wrong, or an old lady getting tackled in New Orleans? Please explain to me how you debunk that?

Are you copying and pasting your posts? God they sound the same. You got any stronger arguments? You do realize if you had a debate with Alex Jones, he'd slaughter you, right?

Yeah I agree. I can't wait for the next staged terror attack to occur here in the US so the government can finally declare martial law and take all our rights. I'll be sure to turn in my guns and report to the relocation camp when the troops show up to my door step.

Hell, I love jobs being outsourced to India and China, leaving American with low paying jobs in the service sector. Being in debt is great, and George W. Bush is the best president we have. If he wants to be a dictator, why not.

Living in a police state is great. I can't wait till my power bill is 400 bucks a month, and it costs a thousand bucks a month just to feed yourself. The Patriot Act is great. Its just their to protect, right?

Cutting the benefits of veterans is great, I mean that just leaves more money for the government and big corporations. While we're at it, why not restrict free speech and turn over the internet to the big corporations so we can all lose our online businesses?

 

Once again someone too meek to debate takes us off topic.

GTech, is this because you have no argument to bring concerning the assertions made and shown to be true in regard to cameras not being a benefit in public and in fact a potential breech of privacy?

Your rhetoric, long winded rhethoric, is obviously well studied and delivered well too I might add. In the same manner of an influencial speaker you mock perhaps?

And the insults! At least when I call someone a moron I back it up with facts regarding the subject of debate.

Interesting.