Biden's warns Bush: Bomb Iran and be impeached

Mia I have sourced the info, the UN had the inspectors come out, they were not forced out. That opinion 'that he was kicked out' is trying to rewrite history. I'm sorry but unless you can see that one simple point which is fact, I honestly don't see a point in discussing this.

Saddam was brutal I will give you that, I am not defending him, I however do defend facts, not fiction.

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BTW the teeth needed was congress giving the president the authority for war. This made Saddam cave. This is the main reason the congress gave the power for war, not to go to war but for the teeth to make Saddam comply. He was scared shitless, he knew how the game is played. He knew with the power for war he best comply fully, which he was doing. Instead of taking advantage of this, using it to make sure he complied fully, Bush used it to invade. IMHO shocking both democrat and republican alike...

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I take no 'popular' side. I was against the war when it was unpopular I also remember from actually watching the events and reading about them daily during the buildup, not after. This makes relying on 'rewriting' history a bit impossible.

 

I think a lot of our arguments revolve around lack of proof, or sound knowledge.

It's quite interesting to talk to people who think that 9/11 happened in 1999 and that Donald Rumsfeld is the Vice President.

The education system and mainstream media certainly don't do much to put events in context, or to provide historical evidence.

 

Some interesting stuff I found out while doing a few searches, something I must admit I have been wrong on I believe in the past.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1750

I found many sites showing quotes by papers in 98, to present showing the true rewriting of history. The rewriting is Saddam did not kick the inspectors out in 98, the UN withdrew them for noncompliance. Yet now it's been rewritten that Saddam forced them out.

Interesting to say the least. If true, and it surely appears to be true the rewriting is on the pro Iraq war peoples sides, not the other way around. I sure hope they are up in arms about this as much as they are about trying to claim history is being rewritten against their points.

 

If you think iran is on the verge of its own collapse then u havent been reading up much on them. I also wish there was a new government there but the reality is they are doing their own nation building in the middle east.


As far as the weapons inspectors info, i must admit i was fooled during that time because i hadnt read up enough on it. Its incredible how badly the bush administration wanted to go to war in iraq . Looking at iraq now i sure dont see a democracy there do I. Saddam was no angel but i never saw the pro-bushers talking crap about him until after the media stormed all over him(our media that is). Saddam was a bathist and anyone that knows that region knows that the bathist ideology was totally oppposite of the islamic extremist beliefs and they hated each other even more than we hate osama here.
Its all one big game played at the expense of the iraqi people and our soldiers.

 

I guess I should have specified what I meant by "collapse."

Their people want freedom.. Most youth in Iran love the US and want to be free like the US.. That "collapse" will consist of Alaha-I'm-a-Jihad being removed from power, and the Mullahs removed from control...

Call it a coup, call it a revolution.. It will happen.

 

Aren't you Lebonese? You should be proud of Iran. If it wasn't for Iran or Hezbollah, or any of the Shia in the middle east you would still be under Israeli occupation right now because the Lebonese army is too scared to do the work itself.

Anyway....just trying to let you know that you should be proud of hizbullah, without them Lebanon would be speaking hebrew!

peace.

 

Sorry but most Iranians would rather suicide bomb themselves to death before they have any association with the US.

 

Jesus, you make no effort what so ever to hide your racism and terrorist support.. How could you defend Hez-bully-ah? SICK!!!

Yeah, you should be proud of terrorists organizations.. You are disgusting.

Doubtful..

 

Thanks. I actually have a Hizbullah flag hung up on my wall aswell!

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003272951_iranmood24.html

 

Most Iranians. He is the president, it's called diplomacy buddy.

 

I'm not sure that is something to be proud of.. That's not much different than proclaiming you have a Nazi flag hanging from your wall..

SICK..

 

Thanks for the link northpoint...

I doubt Iranians would use suicide attacks against the US for association, if we however tried to take over Iran I would not doubt if we would hit resistance. Even in the worst settings, people have love of their homeland.

 

Thanks MIA. I would list all the terrorists that you support but I would be here all day.

 

I agree. And nothing can more mobilize a people than the sense of being attacked. I am stretching back, now, to two folks: Vercingetorix of Gaul, and Alfred the Great of England. Both used the presence of a bellicose outside power to unify a previously scattered people.

For Vercingetorix, it was Caesar's incursions into Gaul, and he was able to pull this most quarrelsome of people (my people, god love them, but they do love the debate!) together in a unified, repelling force. (It almost worked).

For Alfred, it was the Norse invasions into England. Alfred introduced the first state-sponsored mass literacy program (my theory is that he did so in order to ensure royal civil and military commandments were better carried out throughout lower West England), and effectively created the sense of "us" (English) v. "them" (norse).

The principle holds. Nothing can so rouse a people - give them the sense they are a people, as opposed to people who happen to live in a defined geographic area - as the sense that they as a people are under attack.

 

You make me feel dumb

Seriously, I enjoy your posts...

 

Thanks, Grim. I enjoy your posts as well. I am just fascinated by our struggle as a species, and history has consumed me from earliest memory. I am always astounded, and saddened, that since our rise from the primordial muck into the bright day of consciousness, we have had enough brains to fashion the sword but not enough to put it down.

 

Heh..the United States wants freedom too. Most of our youth support Ron Paul and the revolution. We're all tired of out tyrannical government, just the same as Iran is. Guess we're all not so different after all!

 

Is there any thread in DP that does not end up a bully pulpit for Ron Paul?

Eek.. What a waste of time..

 

I can see how the over exuberance and zealous passion about RP gets under the skin of some people, but that's a consequence of having a candidate to be excited about for the first time, in a long, long time.

There's a reason he raises so much money from small donors, and has a legion of grassroots supporters. He's obviously appealing to a lot of people, in a very profound way.