bhutto's killers? Al qaida or musharraf

Be happy to. It's hard to tell if you are being obtuse or intelligent. For now, I'm going with option 1. No hard feelings.

Do keep in mind, that facts greatly annoy AGS. They get in the way of his mission.

 

lol is that my mission to bring down America you are talking about is it?

You sound even more of an arse since you escaped a permanent ban for racist abuse than you did before you got the 2 hour ban you received, and the unbanning you didn't deserve.

Whatever your thoughts on me (which I know are not good ) there is not a racist bone in my body. I've travelled the world (45 countries) and I understand that people are different and people of every religion should not be tarred with the same brush, you have to do some serious thinking GTech because a whole load of P&R peeps can see through your rhetoric now. You have been exposed dude and we all know that now.

My advice to you would be to cut out posting the brainwashing cobblers that some of the anti Islam/Muslim websites that you visit espouse and concentrate on the politics side of this forum.
You seem to enjoy debating politics with people like guerilla and although I completely disagree with everything you say at least you are making a positive contribution to the P&R forum when you post threads related to politics.

When it comes to posting posts on religion you are like a bull in a f**king china shop.

 

Non taken, especially from your fox link source lol.

Osama was a member of MAK when it was being funded bythe pakistani intelligence group from of course the cia. Bin Laden later on broke from MAK and created al qaeda . Stick with us gtech, you might get educated yet. Reggie its good its allll gooddddd!!!! AGS dont be mad at gtech, we should take him under our wings lol. The same way i proved him wrong about mossadegh being a dictator im going to easily prove him wrong about osamas funding sources. Gtech once again i must thank you buddy, you seem to bring out the best in me lol.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/RSblowback.html

Osama bin Laden
By Michael Moran, International Editor, MSNBC.
Since the early 1990s, Osama bin Laden, heir to a Saudi construction fortune, has financed attacks on interests of U.S. and its Arab allies.
As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan. By 1984, he was running Maktab al-Khidamar (MAK) that funneled money, arms and fighters into the Afghan war. MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps in the Middle East, were partners in the CIA's war.
By 1988, bin Laden split from the relatively conventional MAK and established a new group, al-Qaida, that included many MAK members.
Source: MSNBC, Aug. 24, 1998.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm Islamic mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The Program relied heavily on using the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as an intermediary for funds distribution. Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia and the People's Republic of China, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992. Somewhere between $3–$20 billion in US funds were funneled into the country to train and equip troops with weapons, including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems.

26 Aug 1988 SA-7


On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[1] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Hafizullah Amin, Carter announced "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[2] American funding started with 20-30 million dollars per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million a year in 1987.[3]
The US government has been criticized for allowing Pakistan to channel a disproportionate amount of its funding to controversial Afghan resistance leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar,[4] who Pakistani officials believed was "their man".[5] Hekmatyar has been criticized for killing other mujahideen and attacking civilian populations, including shelling Kabul with American-supplied weapons, causing 2,000 casualties. Hekmatyar was said to be friendly with Osama bin Laden, founder of al-Qaeda, who was running an operation for assisting "Afghan Arab" volunteers fighting in Afghanistan, called Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK). Alarmed by his behavior Pakistan leader General Zia warned Hekmatyar that "It was Pakistan that made him an Afghan leader and it is Pakistan who can equally destroy him if he continues to misbehave".[6] According to a Newsweek article, in the late 1980s, Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned of the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, "You are creating a Frankenstein". Author Gilles Kepel reports that American funding of Hekmatyar and his Hezbi Islami party was cut off immediately following the withdrawal of the Soviets.[7]

 

I wonder if there is really a difference...

 

Yeah right, AQ claimed the responsibility by talking to an unknown Italian reporter? And what about Pakistani military intercepting the radio message of Baitullah Mehsud? This is all bullshit.

 

I heard on TV today that Al Qaida refused any responsibility and said their name is used for distraction, sth like that. I don't know much about Pakistani politics but it seems to me that Musharraf benefits from this more than any other, with all due respect to fellow Pakistanis.

 

It is almost certain that it was Musharraf through collusion with the army. Firstly, the governmnet's account of the story makes no sense. To come out with such a bizarre conclusion makes them look even more guilty than would be the case had they told the true extent of her injuries. Its almost like they have something to cover up.

Also, one thing about the Al-Quida is that they usually are keen to take responsibilty because it shows they are still highly active and to cause as mcuh chaos as possible.

 

There is a very interesting conclusion drawn about the events. See http://www.fedtube.org

It basically says that al-Qaeda needs Musharraf to remain in power and brings into question the US governemnts complicity in the whole thing.

 

I'll say Al-Qaeda, Musharraf and Bush. All the three are in the same boat, infact Benazir was too, something went wrong down the way.

I think all of this was meant to scare her just like the suicide bombing when she arrived in Pakistan a month ago but it didn't go as planned and got killed instead. Sounds ridiculous, but considering the fact that most of the things post the year 2000 have been ridiculous, it really isn't.

 

herself , US and she built taliban. and both learned hard way that its not good to give foods to a poisonous snake!

 

i agree with you......both these parties blatantly do and say after what they do

 

Not her, Zia-ul-Huq built Taliban.....

 

Musharraf was the brain - Al Queda or siblings were the hand. As far as Musharraf's "show" against terrorists is concerned - it is only to show US that it is acting against the terrorists. In actual he deeply sympathises the terrorists. He masterminds the terrorist attacks in India.

 

I love AGS and GTech fighting. Dudes, whats wrong with you two ? You fight like homies in their hoods!

 

We love each other really.

 

Group huggggggggggg

 

Take your pick it could have been either or both working together.