Feedback Beyond a joke now.

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by malky66, May 28, 2012.

  1. #1
    Shawn,
    The amount of warez and illegal sellers particularly in the scripts section of BST is getting beyond a joke now, I'm fed up of reporting these thieving arseholes and seeing nothing done, does the report button actually lead anywhere??

    Just a couple of examples: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2480675 he is blatantly selling phpcaptcha.org's script which is free anyway, twice i have reported this and the thread is still active.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2481121 all this member has done since he has been here is rip people off, just check his profile and visitor messages he needs booting off this forum asap.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2477863 the only place you can legally buy these is from the developers sites
    i could go on..

    If you are short of moderators in this section then it really is time you employed some more or replace the ones that don't even login to DP anymore with some who actually have the balls to take the reports seriously and do something about it.

    And anyone thinking of replying something like "if you dont like it, go elsewhere" don't bother because that will not cure the problem and just makes you look like an idiot.

    Heres hoping for a positive response.
     
    malky66, May 28, 2012 IP
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  2. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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  3. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #3
    Please report and back up claim with facts supporting your position.
     
    Smyrl, May 29, 2012 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #4
    The problem is that it's impossible for us to know who makes a script, what their licensing terms are, what reseller agreements they have in place, etc. Ultimately, that's what the DMCA notices are for... if someone's copyright is being violated and we don't know about it, they can let us know.
     
    digitalpoint, May 29, 2012 IP
  5. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #5
    How much proof do you need?

    This thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2480675 it belongs to phpcaptcha.org just visit their site and you will see,
    This thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2477863 he's selling alurians prismotube software which you can only legally buy from them,
    its the same with the pinnect clone from uniprogy

    and as for this thieving twat: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=258523 just check his visitor messages and threads he just constantly rips people off,
    is that really the type of person you want on this forum?

    I do use the report button, are we supposed to do all the work for you? is it not what moderators are here for, someone reports something,
    a moderator checks it out and takes appropriate action, or am i totally wrong??

    Ive told you where the scripts come from and none of the developers give resell rights to anyone,
    why would they let people sell their software cheaper than they sell it themselves, whatever happened to common sense,
    it seems to have gone astray on this forum lately.

    And what if they don't use this forum how are they supposed to know? thats why im letting you know
    I have notified them so you can probably expect a DMCA notice anytime soon,
    but why let it get to that stage, its blatantly obvious they are illegally selling these scripts.
     
    malky66, May 29, 2012 IP
  6. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #6
    That's the best thing to do... If you happen to know who the copyright holder is (since we certainly do not), let them know. If they agree with your assessment, the DMCA is really simple/easy.

    The bottom line is we have no idea who is the manufacturer or "rights" holder on things being sold... just like I don't know who owns the copyright to a book being sold. And even if someone holds the copyright, that won't affect legal copies being sold. Like I can sell a book I bought without being the copyright owner.

    Either way, a DMCA from the actual copyright holder is the best thing to do.
     
    digitalpoint, May 29, 2012 IP
  7. matt_62

    matt_62 Prominent Member

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    malky, theres only one solution, apply to become a mod.

    with half the effort you put in already you would have had instant results.
     
    matt_62, May 30, 2012 IP
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    #8
    Be sure to let us know where you found that Mod Application queue Matt.

    Anyone that actually wants to moderate should be disqualified on grounds of insanity.
     
    robjones, May 30, 2012 IP
  9. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #9
    How many times do i have to report someone selling something illegally??

    This thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2490916

    I even supplied the proof, so i will try again.

    THE FOLLOWING IS TAKEN FROM THE APPTHEMES.COM WEBSITE

    Does AppThemes have partner web sites that can legally sell or distribute our themes?

    No. Any other site you find selling or providing a copy of our themes for free are unauthorized and breaking the law. They may claim to be “licensed resellers” or “distributors” but there is no such thing. Also, downloading a nulled version (free copy) from other web sites is very dangerous. You have no idea what malicious code has been added to the theme and risk losing your web site and database.

    How much proof do you need before something gets done????

    EDIT: Just noticed the thread has now been removed :)
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2012
    malky66, Jun 8, 2012 IP
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    WebDev Solutions Well-Known Member

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    #10
    The reality is malky66 that DP is continuing to become overrun with threads breaking both the law and DP TOS... largely due to the fact that the forums are now ridiculously under moderated. I understand the argument that not every thread can be moderated, but this doesn't detract away from the fact that the forums are way understaffed and the team has not been scaled up to cater for the huge growth DP continues to enjoy.

    In conclusion though, don't expect anything to change.
     
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    Cucumba123 Well-Known Member

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    #11
    Read this very recent discussion http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2493213. It's been stated why DP is as it is and what's being done.
     
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    SolidShellSecurity Banned

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    #12
    I'll agree. We hardly can trust anyone from DP any more in terms of buying stuff of even using someone else's services.
     
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    #13
    Forget at DP. You can't trust anyone in business, Period!
    What can you do? Sit here and complain about it or start some anarchist colony to fight against the business empire.
     
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  14. malky66

    malky66 Acclaimed Member

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    #14
    Why the hell is this thread still up: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2510624

    I reported it yesterday, why do my reports go ignored, whats the point of the report button if the spineless piss poor excuse for moderators just ignore the reports ??
    he's selling fiverrscript which is illegal, and dont say "we dont know their licence terms", it clearly states on the front page of their site "Notice: We don't sell any unlimited domain license or re-sale rights to anyone." its blatant warez selling, or is it safe to assume that warez is now allowed on here??
    He even double posted it here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2511311 which i also reported
    Absolutely unbelievable!!
     
    malky66, Jul 4, 2012 IP
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    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    As stated above notify the script owner and have them file a DMCA notice. Details found here.
     
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    @smyrl, im with malky on this one.
    While i dont expect the mods to have enough time to be robocop and deal with every issue, there is clearly room for improvement; especially if its soo painfully obvious that it is an illegal thread, and if members have been kind enough and patient enough to take the time to find it, prove it and to contact the mods with all the relevant information.

    Room for improvement... im not expecting or asking much.
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #17
    If it's a copyright issue, you don't need to report them at all. The copyright holder does (via DMCA) as previously stated.

    Say you were somewhere and you see someone violating Google's copyright... you can't sue them, Google would need to. Even then, unless you have insider information with Google, you wouldn't know if whoever is doing it was licensed by Google to do so or could even be Google themselves. Point is that if you reported it to the copyright holder, and they don't care, well... that's their decision.

    We do not police or enforce third other companies terms of service (it's simply not practical or possible). Maybe someone signed up for a site and they agreed to never sign up for another site as part of their terms. Should we enforce that site's terms of service and delete all accounts who signed up here after they agreed not to?

    Copyright holders have a clear and easy way to handle it via DMCA request... that's what it's there for.
     
    digitalpoint, Jul 4, 2012 IP
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    digitalpoint, Jul 29, 2012 IP
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    Last edited: Jul 29, 2012
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