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Discussion in 'Google' started by Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007.

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  1. ajsa52

    ajsa52 Well-Known Member

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    #21
    I was not thinking on user agent cloaking. I was thinking on the new Google feature called Site Authentication.
    But after reading that article again, the trick shown on this forum will not work. You can't obtain passwords nor access to restricted areas that way.
    SEMrush
     
    ajsa52, Jul 22, 2007 IP
    SEMrush
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    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    #22
    it's intresting to read. it looks like aviva directory be a bot
     
    trichnosis, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  3. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #23
    i wish i was:(
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    monosodium Well-Known Member

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    #24
    what about legality, or more accurately TOS-compliancy, on the part of the websites? showing different content to googlebot than to other users... i woulda thought that's a no-no.
     
    monosodium, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  5. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #25
    i don't know about that
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    monosodium Well-Known Member

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    #26
    [wrong thread, wrong tab, sorry]
     
    monosodium, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    nddb Peon

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    #27
    Changing your user agent is not hacking. It's not like there is a law mandating you use a specific user agent.
     
    nddb, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  8. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #28
    the problem is you could get banned
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  9. WunschShrek

    WunschShrek Peon

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    #29
    How is this hacking? Hacking would be if he say, cracked the root password to the server and then downloaded the files.
     
    WunschShrek, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  10. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #30
    we got a debate going now:D
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  11. WunschShrek

    WunschShrek Peon

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    #31
    Actually it is completely different, the results might be the same, but it is different.

    Example -- I can work real hard and earn a thousand dollars. Or I can punch someone in the face at the atm, take their money, and get a thousand dollars.

    Two different approaches, yet the same end result.

    Just because he is seeing information that was supposed to be shielded from his eyes, does not make it or crime or anything close to hacking. Sneaky? yes, it is sneaky. Informative? Yes very informative, this post will HELP people who have sites set up this way, and change their security measure's so people can't access the data like this.
     
    WunschShrek, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  12. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #32
    Good luck for people trying to fix their security lol
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    #33
    Completely agree. That's like DP having a Forum that says "You can only read this forum if you paid $10." And you enter it without paying the $10. That would be DP's lack of any security. Relying on user agent is ridiculous.

    If I want to run around with a user agent that says "Googlebot 8.284" and some site shows me different content that it shows "Mozilla FireFox" that is their problem, not mine. I have no obligation to give them my real user agent. It is not illegal to change a UA, and I think someone would be very hard pressed to prove it is. Even if "restricted" content is accessed, that content is not truly restricted if it relies on a completely inaccurate and insecure method of restriction.

    That's like suing a robot for not following robots.txt. Good luck. If your ISP is incredibly stupid they might kick you off for it, IF they receive a complaint. So that part is somewhat valid. (I've been kicked off some for less, a long time ago.)

    But illegal? Seriously doubt it. If anyone faces jail time, or even a fine, for changing their useragent, it's time to leave the fascist state you live in.

    It's fairly simple. Their IT should know to filter by IP address, not UA. UA and referers are unreliable, at best.
     
    nddb, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  14. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #34
    i changed my user agent to say AssZilla 1.4 :D
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    windtalker Well-Known Member

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    #35
    LOL. Any webmaster who will check their stats will think you're a pornbot.
     
    windtalker, Jul 22, 2007 IP
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    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    #36
    get banned from what? are you kidding me...I used this technique before and I was able to browse paid forums....A lot of them wised up and fixed the error but some haven't

    These sites have more to worry about for cloaking than I do.

    I don't see how modifying information on my browser is illegal...especially when it is giving the site information about me
     
    oseymour, Jul 22, 2007 IP
  17. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #37
    Its not illegal (i never said that) but you MIGHT get banned
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 23, 2007 IP
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    falcondriver Well-Known Member

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    #38
    wow, what a l33t hack. im sure the google special forces are already on the way, taking down all your PR! :rolleyes:
     
    falcondriver, Jul 23, 2007 IP
  19. Chris Blood

    Chris Blood Peon

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    #39
    Your right the FBI will come busting down my door:(:(
     
    Chris Blood, Jul 23, 2007 IP
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    #40
    I've seen people on my site with the google useragent info. I ban the IP if it does they do not match the standard bot addresses!

    However, I have FireFox set to show my useragent as my webpage, in hopes that some random webmaster will check it out ;)

    In your addressbar type ABOUT:CONFIG then filter for USERAGENT.

    It's the one with general.useragent.extra.firefox

    Just add in your custom string.
     
    Qryztufre, Jul 23, 2007 IP
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