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Banned for invalid clicks - But when ?

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by arjunprabhu, Sep 30, 2005.

  1. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #21
    OHHH MY....

    As its told many times in this very forum, not reading TOS is the biggest fault of the publisher.

    Not using common sense and clicking on their own ads is even bigger fault
    SEMrush
    Yes, and account too..


    It is as same as you killed a person and thought you'll be safe just bcoz you dint know that you'll be hanged up for that, and never killed anyone again once you know that you'll be hanged up, will not save you. Simple
     
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    #22
    ok, my mistake
     
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    Sunny Well-Known Member

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    #23
    How Google detects such fake clicks.

    I suppose that Google can decide it by analyzing the raw header data and can ban the account by:

    1). Clicks from same IP (I am not sure about the same IP range).
    2). Lots of Clicks through Public Proxy, Elite class anonymous proxies.
    3). Simply using Cookies to track visitor activities.
    4). Psychic powers ;)

    Do you think of any other way that Google uses to detect fake clicks/clicks on self ads?
     
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    #24
    So, where they say that i have clicked on my own ads when I haven't. What do I do?
     
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    #25
    Draft a mail in a very polite language, use SIR as much as you can.
    explain them your status and stands.
    dont ask why you have been banned, rather say you can understand that there was somthing wrong and this step has taken to protect advertizers but you are ready to co-ordinate with google to rectify it, provided you get another chance.
    once you draft the mail, read thrice, improve it as much as you can.
    Do a prayer, Send it and cross your fingers.

    and yes meanwhile get reviews from real professionals for your website, its important bcoz may be there is somthing wrong which you are missing but they can point it out.
    improve your site if necessary.

    thats all you can do.
     
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    #26
    Thanks

    They have not banned me, just sent me a warning message; which I replied to, politely pointing out that I have not been clicking and asking for specifics as to which part of the site and location of "clicker".

    They said that they could not provide that info.
     
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    Sunny Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Anyone who has faced Adsense account deletion may answer my question:

    Does Google always give warning message before actually deleting the account?

    I've heard that Google just deletes the account and tells that you are now banned. If Google gives a last chance, then most of the account deletion may not occour.
     
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    #28
    Please only post this once :mad:

    See my reply in one of the other threads you cut and paste this
     
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    Sunny Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Sorry, My mistake.

    Now the response by yfs1 in someother thread:

     
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    #30
    That is interesting. Never heard of a warning message for invalid clicks before.

    They send them out for other things, but never heard it for that reason.
     
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    #31
    Well, it was definitely for clicks; as their response message quoted the section in their rules about clicks not being by myself or robots etc.

    I still have an account with them, and have not been banned.

    As noted, I only generate around 2 clicks per day anyway..not by my hand.
     
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    #32
    What does that mean?
     
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    #33

    Even after the warning .....?? u still generate ????????????
     
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    #34
    He meant, he gets two clicks/day. And he doesnt click on his own Ads.
    err I think....
    but what do you mean by Generate???
     
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    ashu Banned

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    #35
    In 90% cases before they approve payments
     
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    #36
    Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant my ads get 2 clicks a day.
     
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    #37
    May be they will ban you when you ask for the Payments.

    Normally Google checks the account at payment clearence. If Google finds something doubtful then your account will be banned and all your hard work(in generating 2 clicks a day) will be lost.
     
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    #38
    I don't use AdSense, but I must say that what they do seems shady.

    If only a handful of clicks are invalid (especially in day 1 examples) and then you go on to keep Google ads on your site in false belief that your earning revenue when they never warn you about your false clicks, they are being unjustly enriched and you are forfeiting the opportunity cost of having a valid revenue producing ad network on your site. Google should warn at first sign of invalid clicks or I can foresee a class action in the future. It's pure unjust enrichment, it's not like google doesn't hold onto the revenue generated by valid clicks even after you've have invalid clicks.

    e.g. you earn $10 off valid clicks, then have one alleged invalid click but you are not warned about the invalid status, then you continue to earn up to $100. From the point after the first alleged invalid click all of your valid clicks are worthless - yet Google lets you believe you are making money, when the only one making money is Google. They know you've violated policy (or should) and they know that you're not earning anything (or should) yet they let you believe you are earning money and cause you to forgoe opportunities to place other ads on your site, in reliance on this belief.
     
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    #39
    Its not shady though because you agree to it when you sign up.

    Why should someone get to keep even some of the clicks if they have commited fraud against AdWords advertisers?

    Plus if they already commited fraud how can Google really know the other clicks were valid?
     
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    #40
    The reason they do it this way, I am sure, is one of resources. I am guessing a substantial number of sites never make it to $100 so they don't have to spend the time and energy chasing those down when they are never going to get paid anyways. Once someone is set up to get paid, then they do the work involved.

    My only question on this is why would adwords publishers accept this? Seems like adwords publishers are still going to be charged for clicks even if Google doesn't pay out for them for 6 months. Do Adwords users see credits for 6 months back?
     
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