Bad link partner?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by hasitruparel, May 18, 2006.

  1. #1
    hello,

    i know that its bad to link a bad neighborhood. Can anyone define a bad neighborhood???

    I think this is so important for Big Daddy Update, dont you think so folks?
     
    hasitruparel, May 18, 2006 IP
  2. BrianR2

    BrianR2 Guest

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    #2
    yes, it's important. just link to sites that have a related theme to your site but aren't your competitors. if you are a hardware site and you link to gambling or travel or something in your footer, it won't look that good.
     
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  3. livingearth

    livingearth Well-Known Member

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    #3
    I have often wondered about the particulars on this same subject. I figured that to get banned or penalized it would take much more. Such as warez, or hate sites etc. However it is only natural for sites with less relevant content or links to rank lower..( not the same thing as a ban or penalty..)
     
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  4. hasitruparel

    hasitruparel Peon

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    hi, is there any specific defination of a bad site? please advice
     
    hasitruparel, May 18, 2006 IP
  5. MattUK

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    #5
    Not really, what may be a bad neighbourhood for one site may be a good link for another.

    Just try to keep your links on-topic and avoid pages with 0 pagerank and you can't really go too far wrong.
     
    MattUK, May 19, 2006 IP
  6. hasitruparel

    hasitruparel Peon

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    i dont think so, i think looking at the age of the site and also the number of pages that are indexed in Google can give you a good hint on the if the website is not liked by Google.

    dont you agree?
     
    hasitruparel, May 19, 2006 IP
  7. Herendethelesson

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    Also, look at how many links are going out from that page. In general, it is better to avoid pages with more than 20 outbound links.
     
    Herendethelesson, May 21, 2006 IP
  8. MattUK

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    #8
    No I wouldn't, there's a difference between a new site and a bad neighbourhood.
     
    MattUK, May 22, 2006 IP
  9. hasitruparel

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    hello people,

    I am still not clear on how to define if a given site is GOOD?
     
    hasitruparel, May 22, 2006 IP
  10. MattUK

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    #10
    As long as it has pagerank and has been indexed by google then it shouldn't do your site any harm by linking to it.

    There isn't realy any way to measure 'how' good Google feels a site is though - trust rank.
     
    MattUK, May 22, 2006 IP
  11. mcfox

    mcfox Wind Maker

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    #11
    I don't agree with that at all. If you are being ultra-ultra cautious and also cannot be bothered to look at the site itself, then perhaps that is how you should judge who to link to but otherwise, examine the site you intend to link to / with and judge for yourself.

    Since PageRank updates are so irregular and appear at times almost haphazard, and Pagerank itself can take a little time to get for a newer site, avoiding websites with 0 pagerank is not the best idea if you are link building.

    Imagine if you avoid linking to any websites with 0 Pagerank. Come the next PR update, you are going to miss out on all of the benefits of linking to those sites:- backlinks, Pagerank, traffic ... all because of a policy of not linking to sites with 0 Pagerank.

    Not to mention that the other search engines don't give a frig about Pagerank anyway. Yahoo and MSN will still bring traffic and they still use links as a way of calculating where to place a site in the serps.

    My advice to the OP (orginal poster) is to actually look at the sites you intend to link to / with. If it's a warez or crack site then you may have some problems. If it's p0rn, again, you may have some problems. If it's a respectable site with decent information then that will be a good thing for your visitors. Just look out for scraper sites and sites that themselves are heavily linked to warez, p0rn, garbage -- if they are, don't bother linking to them. They are a waste of effort.
     
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  12. MattUK

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    #12
    I agree with some of your post, granted you can link to sites with 0 PR, though for a newbie then following this advice could lead to problems.
    I certainly wouldn't link any of my clients sites to 0PR sites, firstly as there is a risk, no matter how small and secondly as they'd bring little benefit in the short to medium term. Long term it would probably be worth keeping a list of link requests from on topic 0PR sites and then linking up after an update.
     
    MattUK, May 22, 2006 IP
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    #13
    some bad neighborhood are those that spam keywords say like
    "widget abc" 30 times at the bottom of the site..

    widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc widget abc
     
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    just make sure that the site you are linking to does not have hundereds of thousands of links, and those too unrelated to each other. Usually, FFA sites (Free For All) websites are considered bad neighborhoods. These websites usually have a very low page rank and look spammy.
     
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  15. Janet

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    Is 20 outbound links a general rule? I have more in my resources directory, does it look spammy to you guys?
     
    Janet, May 22, 2006 IP
  16. MattUK

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    I wouldn't get a link from a page with more than 30, so 20 is a dood median. ANy more then that and you're not getting much benefit from the link.
     
    MattUK, May 23, 2006 IP
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    It is pages with more than 200 links , link pages with spammy sites such as porn , viagra etc
     
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  18. Warkot

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    #18

    A bad site usually has one or more of the following characteristics:

    1. it has links to other sites unrelated to the original site's "theme". If you promote Web design services, you shouldn't link to gambling sites.

    2. it has too many links on one page. First off, this is spammy. Second, you won't benefit from a link on such a page in terms of PR, since PR will be distributed between all the links on this page.

    3. the site in question relies on black-hat SEO. Keyword stuffing in meta-tags, hidden links, text in tiny fonts are tell-tale signs.

    Also, make sure the links page is actually being crawled. Look at the Google cache, at the very least.

    4. the site in question has been penalized or banned by SE's. Again, use the cache.

    Hope this helps,
    Warkot
     
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    Is there a bad neighbor list available?
     
    delmarsurf, May 24, 2006 IP
  20. MattUK

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    No, you can usually work it out for yourself though
     
    MattUK, May 25, 2006 IP