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Discussion in 'Bing' started by longcall911, Jun 10, 2005.

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    My one year old site made it to #1 on M$N about 5 months ago. But I was also in Google's sandbox, or perhaps suffering from a "too many links too quick penalty".

    So, in early Jan this year, I dumped a lot of links (forum sigs, link exchanges, etc) to try to help my Google situation. I was released from the box (Feb 7) and happy with rank on G, but I fell on M$N from #1 to #4.

    Since mid-Feb, I've been slowly obtaining links again. Two weeks ago I went from #4 to #3. Yesterday I went from #3 to #2. And today, I go from #2 back to #1.

    My on-page is good clean content and tags, and links are mostly good quality (maybe 20% junk links). But the climb back to #1 took about 3 months.
     
    longcall911, Jun 10, 2005 IP
  2. AfterHim.com

    AfterHim.com Peon

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    Good for you!

    I'm hoping to be out of the 'box soon...MSN ratings are good...fell a little today though.
     
    AfterHim.com, Jun 10, 2005 IP
  3. tbarr60

    tbarr60 Notable Member

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    How many links are too many links? 5 from a co-op make any diff?
     
    tbarr60, Jun 10, 2005 IP
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    #4
    good to hear #1 is a nice place to be
     
    Canadianbacon, Jun 11, 2005 IP
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    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    #5
    You think Google throws you into the sandbox for forum links?
     
    Web Gazelle, Jun 17, 2005 IP
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    #6

    elaborate please
     
    antithesis_98, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    dvduval Notable Member

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    I have several #1 spots that do very little for me. :(
    (even for pretty darn big keywords)
     
    dvduval, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    My question is.. Do you think Google will sandbox your site because you have links to your site coming from forum signatures?
     
    Web Gazelle, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    dvduval Notable Member

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    Sandbox is 100% related to the age of the site, and age of the links to the site.
    The "value" of the links is a different issue altogether (IMHO).
     
    dvduval, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    I just checked MSN for our site and we are buried down around 30, so I can't say I'm too happy with their current algo. :mad: But, that's MSN for you. King of the world today, MIA tomorrow.
     
    Jade456, Jun 20, 2005 IP
  11. longcall911

    longcall911 Peon

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    Not sure if you're asking me, but if so, the answer is no.

    I wasn't saying that forum sigs put me in the box. I believe I was sandboxed as a new site with aggressive SEO. I think I made it out after about 5 months as I jumped from # 750 or so to #36, for my main keyphrase.

    I then got very aggressive with link building, and I saw my site fall over the next 3 months from #36 to #56 to #75 to #136. I'm not saying link building was the cause, simply stating two factual events.

    My best guess was that I was suffering from a too-many-too-quick filter. So, in the hope of changing direction, I dumped links that I had control over. That includes forum sigs.

    /*tom*/
     
    longcall911, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    dvduval Notable Member

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    Sandbox refers to a penalty imposed due to a site being less than a year old, and had nothing to do with over SEOing a site.
     
    dvduval, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    VERY much doubt it.
     
    dcristo, Jun 20, 2005 IP
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    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    I am watching a waiting to see if Google will make up it's mind about my site being sandboxed or not.
     
    Web Gazelle, Jun 21, 2005 IP
  15. longcall911

    longcall911 Peon

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    That is opinion. The one year mark is not definitive. I was out (I believe) after about 5.5 months. I went from #750 or so to #36.

    Also, I believe SEO can (not always) ensure time in the box. There have been a number of people who have said little or no SEO and very slow link building has allowed them to avoid the sandbox entirely.

    I haven't tried it so I can't say with certainty, but I wouldn't dismiss it either.

    /*tom*/
     
    longcall911, Jun 21, 2005 IP