Summer, I preserve flowers. Those eggs are composting to feed my flowers this summer, NOT making a chicken. And yes, some people do have too much time.
Is that the Jewels site in your signature? Because you have zero chance of that one ever being listed. Lots of pictures of jewelry and no way of buying anything. And if you click on any of the links at the top they all go to your web design site. So what about listing the web design page. Fortunately since I am no longer an editor you are safe from me but I wouldn't rate your chances with a site where every link on the menu leads to exactly the same text. Maybe some pages are different but the ones I clicked at random were all the same. And on some of those pages some of the menu links disappear altogether. So altogether there are a few paragraphs of promotional blurb, and a load of Google Ads. Reject. Ah, but the menu at the bottom does lead to some different content. Too late my friend, the editor has already rejected the site, they will not click every single link in the hope there might be something else there. You are a web designer and most of your site doesn't work - doesn't bode well for attracting customers either. What to do? Fix the site, fix the menus, make sure there is no repetition on pages, make sure there are no dead pages. Selling jewelry online? How to buy, shipping information, terms and conditions, guarantees, an address people can verify as genuine. When, and only when, it is all fixed and working get someone else to check it over and make double sure. Then resubmit to the same category as before - if it has already been rejected then you may get a second chance. If not reviewed yet then the resubmission will overwrite the original and no harm done. Hope that helps, and all the best for the future - good luck
I find this whole thing with DMOZ ridicules and annoying. I mean why the hell they make a directory if they don't even take care of it. They are big and think they can annoy anybody. To wait more than a year just to get listed is just plain wrong. And everyone says; o it is OK because it is the “great DMOZ†. I say it is just lousy customer service and aggravating approach of the webmasters. And please don’t say that they don’t have the resources because I won’t believe it. Thanks Laszlo.
A lot of misunderstandings / errors in above posting > why the hell they make a directory if they don't even take care of it The directory is growing with around 1000 sites a day (that is netto growth: sites added - sites removed). Seems to me editors are taking care of the directory. > To wait more than a year just to get listed is just plain wrong. Didn't you have to do anything usefull other than wait in that year. Success for a site will never come from a DMOZ listing. > it is just lousy customer service and aggravating approach of the webmasters. 1) listing sites is not a service that is offered by DMOZ 2) webmasters / siteowners are not the customers of DMOZ
yeah right! the editor says "don't know why it took so long" just from the look of this thread it seems that everyone INCLUDING ME, have been waiting for these guys to list our sites.. and it's been months and months and months for all of us. Submit? yes but move on! it can be the only way to live a happy and stress free life!
Man, I am an editor at dmoz and I have many sites 'unreviewed' yet! Seriously. One thing. You may try to contact the editor of your category. But do it once and do it nicely. I get emails from people whose sites are not yet approved and the emails push me to dedicate more time and effort for approving the sites.
Had to reply to a couple of points Aquarius made.. but before I do, a question for you Aquarius.. do you work for DMOZ? I am sure we all didn't just "sit around" for year waiting for DMOZ to list our sites.. just a touch condescending there I think.. While webmasters / site owners are not the customers of DMOZ, surely it is helpful for them to have links to possible sites pop up in their emails rather than go looking for them.. without sites, there is no DMOZ.. surely this is a win/win situation. Not something that we should feel eternality grateful for..
Now subtract the Adult doorway pages. The number drops to about 10 sites per day. Hmmm... perhaps you want to rethink that statement... no wait... did I just use "think" in a sentence referring to aquarius/pagode?
DMOZ receives about 20 times more suggestions each month than it has the resources to list. A very large proportion of those suggestions are spammy crap. If the spammers stopped clogging up the systems with their crap then I doubt there would be many listable sites waiting more than a few weeks. I would personally make it far more difficult to submit a suggestion - a self-assessment form to cause maximum pain for spammers and to make sure genuine submitters are submitting correctly. DMOZ does not care about webmasters because webmasters are not customers and, therefore, deliberately have no customer service aimed at webmasters. Customers pay for a service - you pay nothing to DMOZ, you are not entitled to a service. Editors are not paid, why should they give their labour to do your web marketing for free. There are plenty of directories that do offer a service to paying customers. But DMOZ should actually say that on the submission form to prevent you getting the wrong idea and getting aggravated.
In many cases no, the suggestions are in many categories near 100% spam and genuine sites get lost in that mass of crap. It doesn't help the editor, who just ignores the whole lot, it helps the genuine submitter even less as their site is buried in a pile of shit. The percentage of sites selected from suggestions as opposed to other sources is declining rapidly as a result. If you operate a site in a highly competitive market where affiliate schemes are commonplace then you may as well forget about submitting to DMOZ altogether. DMOZ doesn't ask for gratitude from webmasters, it tries very hard not to communicate with webmasters, apart from the few editors who, of their own volition and without any official sanction, come to outside forums to answer questions and are usually pilloried for that (sometimes deserved if they act like asses and attempt to taunt webmasters, more often than not undeserved because their motive is to help understanding). If any editor gives you the impression they expect gratitude they are speaking for themselves alone. DMOZ doesn't ask webmasters to put up sites so there is no gratitude towards webmasters that can be expected from that direction either. I am not grateful to all the advertisers whose unsolicited mail comes to me every day even if sometimes there is something I might be interested in buying - same with editors - the submissions are unsolicited pitches to include the submitter's material. That is the way it is seen. Unfortunately that tends to result in mutual mistrust and antagonism. To some extent that is unavoidable whilst spammers live and breath and editors get wound up by them. But better communication on what the project is and does would help in some small measure and that is DMOZ's responsibility to improve.
No - not a small measure at all - that would be a huge step forward and might perhaps help to eventually eliminate the adversarial seige mentality that many DMOZ editors seem to cultivate. As I've said before, the aggregated/collective knowledge among the majority of DMOZ editors about public relations would fit comfortable in a teacup with plenty of room for a few pairs of socks.
Not exactly. It grew at approx that rate in January and February but there was no major Robozilla run to remove dead links. When it last ran in mid-December approx 50,000 sites were removed. In 2005 as a whole, which is far more representative, net growth was approximately 600 sites a day. That was with an editor population starting at 8000 and ending at 7744. By the end of February 06 editor numbers were down to 7597 so it is hard to see how 2005's productivity can be maintained, particularly if the net loss of editors continues to run at a rate of 70 per month. More listings + fewer editors = increasing maintenance overhead + fewer new listings.
The real number of editors is about 500-1000. The rest is just an inflated number to cover up the organizational failure. Even many of senior editors and metas are not active anymore but their names still shows up in the lists.
I say small measure because I have a feeling that no matter how clear DMOZ is in its mission and objectives - not to be a webmaster listing service - it will only convince a small number of the detractors. But then it would be better for the submission form to say "we are not a listing service for webmasters and there are no timescales on when your submission might be reviewed. Please note you are speculatively suggesting material that you feel we might want to include and are not a customer in any way, shape or form" than for it to be repeated endlessly in forums by editors speaking unofficially. I think there is a feeling amongst a large number of editors that they don't need good PR because webmasters don't matter (which, crudely, is true). But this is ignoring the fact that some measure of positive interaction with webmasters might improve the quality of suggestions and increase opposition to spammers. And it is better to be loved than despised...
I'll grant you that probably 90% of the edits are done by 10% of the editors with active accounts. That has always been the case though.
I think the real reason is that people in power know that in order to have a good PR, there is a need for real changes in the organization and introduction of real and honest procedures and rules. Introduction of procedures and rules means the removal of power from the hand of few and putting it in the hand of organization and this is not acceptable for them. Therefore, they understand that there can never be a good PR since it requires changes. So I suppose we agree in spirit that 8000 editors is just a big lie. Doesn't make you wonder, why?