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Highly unlikely that US will wipe its debt from the books. If it do that USA will loose its credibility. China is not the only creditor of USA. I don't think they will take it as a warning by US but a threat. Pakistan have tactical nukes that puts US carrier battle groups in gulf in serious danger. And yes, Israel is in range of Pakistani Missiles. In the end it all comes to Pakistani leadership whether it has guts to go through it or not. I don't think they have balls to do that.
The premise of this story is the absence of real war. Introduce real bullets and direct conflict, and you can take those balance sheets that say we owe china trillions, and shred them. China is doing it's best to diversify and hedge against this possiblity, but the fact remains, conflict with the US would be China's undoing, unless they could beat us with the military they have today. Further evidence as to why it is in China's interest to maintain the status quo with the US, from a military standpoint. What, you think we repaid any debt owed to Nazi germany, or Imperial Japan, or N. Korea or Vietnam? You honestly believe any other country held us to be less credible for wiping that paper off our books? When we start dropping bombs on you, I think most other countries assume we do not plan to repay any debt we may owe you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction Your max range is 2500km. You might be able to nuke eastern Jordan. Shall we call it good enough ? It would be nearly as funny as watching you try to blindly nuke the Arabian Sea in search of our aircraft carriers. You think? You think giving the US, Israel, India, and every other western nation just cause to accuratly drop nukes in Pakistan might be considered a bad idea by your leaders, or would that just be a sign they have no balls? Here is something else to consider. Pakistan only managed to complete it's missile technology 5-8 years ago, something the US did ~40 years ago. We have moved on to bigger and better things. There is a reasonable chance that any missile launch out of Pakistan would never deliver it's payload. Nothing like shooting blanks at your neighbors, begging them to flatten your nation.
If you read it a little more closely you would realise that China is the US banker and could economically ruin you. As Hilary Clinton said to Kevin Rudd "Clinton apparently opened the bidding by asking Rudd of China: ''How do you deal toughly with your banker?'' Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...d-and-clear-20101206-18mpa.html#ixzz1fF0UN9jS " No money, no guns. All those friendships that the US has built up over in years in Asia would come in handy too I guess. That would be South Korea and ah, um, ah somebody else and that would make the supply routes in any war a little tedious. China trades with the US as a last resort, it doesn't need them to any extent whatsoever. It has 1.2 Billion people of its own and trades around the world. Their foreign policy is simple "Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone". This century is already becoming known as the Asian Century. The growth of Asian economies is huge and unstoppable.
I think Pakistan is going to war towards. But Pak is not able to war with USA. 20 Pak Army killed by USA. This is very bad thing for Pakistan.
We talk the same way to China. In case you hadn't noticed, our economy dwarfs theirs. The Chinese represent only 8% of our public debt, meaning 92% of our public debt is held by nations other than China. To put it in perspective, if you made USD$100,000 a year, and borrowed another $40,0000 to support your $140,000 a year lifestyle, China's unwillingness to lend to you would account for about $3,600. In other words, we could drop China by cutting out the morning cup of Starbucks coffee. China, on the other hand, has to be concerned about the $140,000 we owe them, so even if they quit lending us money, they aren't going to do the types of things that would put us in a position to justify not repaying the debt. No Chinese money, no Starbucks. The guns we already own. Ok. Now you've officially crossed over into delusional. We stop buying Chinese goods, their economy collapses. Yes, China trades with people around the world, but who gives a crap when you consider that all of the EU combined adds up to the size of the US, and the Euro is collapsing. The rest of the planet adds up to squat and any bright spots therein are stronger US allies than Chinese. This leaves China, once again, needing those US consumers. Here is a more plausible scenario. Xenophobia takes over in the US, as is normal in times of financial crisis. The US moves towards more protectionist trade policies, levying taxes on products made in China until China is willing to adopt mutually equitable trade practices. China's trade plummets precipitously, forcing them into either capitulation or hostility. Capitulation means US owned companies to openly compete in China, maintaining our financial hegemony. Hostility means isolation and financial ruin, maintaining US financial hegemony. [Edit]By the way, no matter how you look at it, there are almost no circumstances where China would back Pakistan in a shooting war against the US, in the highly unlikely event such a war broke out.
Read this: https://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html You may find that the China's exports to the US is only 22% of their total so I guess the rest of the world does count. You may also have also found that when the US says devalue the yuan China says go jump. No there won't be a war, hopefully NATO will just go home then all these stuffed up incidents will stop and everyone can live in peace.
Everyone can live in peace ? LOL Tell me of a period when there where over 20 years of peace and i'll show you a war . There is only one peace , the peace between fights , the war however is continuous and it has never ever stopped . Si vis pacem , para bellum
Right. 22% of their exports is practically nothing, and losing that portion of their business would do nothing to them. Pile on the paltry number of exports from US to china and the over 3 trillion dollar debt, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for China. Out of curiosity, how did you ever come to be under the impression the US wants China to devalue the Yuan? Poor bastards. Just like Japan, they won't even realize what hit them as we continue to print money while at the same time tightening Chinese trade policies. Anther decade or so, the (B)illlion people living in poverty in China are going to catch onto the entitlement mentality. That should be entertaining as hell to watch. Or conversely, if there is a war, it will likely be WWIII. In that spirit, lets hope NATO sticks around Afghanistan long enough to create stability, occupying Pakistan if necessary. Besides, there is Lithium in Afghanistan. It could be the next wealthy religious regime.
The Pakistani military is largely funded by the United States. It is said to have reached $2.7 billion this year. I guess Pakistan won't be rejecting that, right?
So you ignore the fact that military wargamers have found that the US can't win in a financial fight against China, ignore the fact that Hilary Clinton states that China is America's banker, and ignore the fact that even after 10 years NATO still isn't on top of the world's 4th poorest country. Good luck with occupying Pakistan, unlike Afghanistan they have actual weapons, an airforce, navy and nukes rather than old unexploded bombs and rattling AK47s. You seem to have trouble recognising that citizens do not like their country being occupied by foreign forces.
Throw in the figures from Europe there as well (Well most of it).. US doesn't do anything alone.. It's all about NATO. Chinese Exports to ALL NATO countries is a significant one..
the top 10 countries that china exports to are all nato countries. If china get involved there economy goes to hell. Then once the bombing start its all over russia would have to help but russia is not way a military threat anymore. Yes they have nukes but to use the nuke against the US is suicide you have to remember the us military mind frame for every 1 you send we will send 10. What do those stealth carry 3 per stealth. We send 10 stealth bombers and the are 30 nukes in route. Not only in route but you wont be able to see them comming This is a dumb argument we should be talking about how we repair these relationships with these countries. Instead of come in guns blazing. The whole beef with the US and pakistan is Bin laden. If we found him in china there would not be a question. But he was hiding in there back yard.
the top ten countries that china exports to are all nato countries. That would be alot of money to lose after getting into a war.
Yeah of course, those NATO countries would be able to source these imports immediately from somewhere else. The Pakistani aid from the US is payment for the use of their ports, roads and airfields. It is for their co-operation in the occupation of Afghanistan and the co-operation was gained with the "if you aint wid us you're agin us argument" and the aid payments of course. Aid dries up, supply routes dry up. As to the argument that the US would simply default on the 3 trill it owes China. Just wonder how that would affect the world banking system. All debts are tied in with each other which is why the Eurozone is working very hard to prevent Greece defaulting on 400 billion. It's not simply Peter pays Paul. China also has stealth technology. Interesting to see Hilary Clinton over in Burma making friends there. A dictatorship, oppressive regime that has kept the opposition leader under house arrest for 15 of the last 21 years. A friend of China and North Korea and for the first time in 50 years the US is saying hello. And of course warning it about buying weapons, creating nuclear weapons and suchlike.
Oh I get it. Its the Pakistani's who don't get it. You'd think if countries didn't like being occupied, they wouldn't send terrorists out to foreign nations they are not at war with, to commit acts of war against innocent civilians. It seems most western intelligence agencies, and investigative journalists concur this is exactly what the ISI has been doing since before 9-11, though mostly to India. As far as difficulty rolling over a country with a real military, I would refer you to Iraq. BTW, let me be the first to say thanks for the MASSIVE contribution to the US/NATO effort made by Australia. They are our truest allies. Thanks!
Thanks that's great of you, much appreciated. And I thank you on behalf of the troops that died and or been wounded.