Atheists know more about religion that so-called believers.

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  1. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #21
    Do you know what atheists are?

    What you are saying doesn't make any sense. The survey found that the people who know most about religion are the people who don't believe in god or religion, and from that you concluded that atheists are accepting islam?
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #22
    Adam Deen is definitely an intelligent person, he's worth ten atheists put together.

    [video=youtube;aeleGwYnGzI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeleGwYnGzI[/video]
     
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    #23
    I'm not really in the mood to see an youtube video about some guy lecturing on religion or god, but each side has it's wise guys. The fact remains though, that Atheists are generally smarter than Believers, All the studies that've happened on this matter prove that. They have a more logical frame of mind, and instead of giving things they're ignorant about a name, they try to understand it and get a solution.
    As to why Atheists know more about religion, probably because when they enter a theological debate, they look for stuff to (make fun of)/(argue about with) the believers, like drinking the blood of Jesus and eating his flesh - Cannibalism much?
    And in case some people don't get it, I'm an atheist. Even when I was 6 years old, I could never grasp the "concept" of a all-knowing all-deciding supreme being living in the sky and watching everyone at every single moment, but that'd be going a bit off topic.
     
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    sar420 Notable Member

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    #24
    I think thats because a certain religion encourages more kids than a family can afford to raise, just so there are more people belonging to that religion
     
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    #25
    You can't base a few studies by Atheists that say that "Atheists are generally smarter" as a matter of fact. The Ozone Layer had over 300,000 studies made on it and it turned out to be total Grade A CRAP. Stick that up your studies.
    Now a better mention would be if you said "studies show that often studies don't mean jack."

    You all going to have to face the great amount of evidence that both Atheists and Religious people come in all kinds. In both parties there are smart, stupid, ignorant, and in this topic immature people.

    Personally I'm not going to sit here and blame all Catholics, nor Atheists, or whoever people because of a target of a specific group of people. Instead I'll leave it for the KKK and other various groups that blame groups in a whole.

    Knowing is a fraction of importance. What's important is interpreting and Atheists Suck something off at interprating religion. Just as bad as Catholics interprate the Atheist ways.
     
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  6. Korrupt

    Korrupt Well-Known Member

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    #26
    I did say both sides have their wise guys and their stupid guys, but it remains a fact that Atheists are almost always of a logical frame of mind, and hence, smarter. You can never say "Women are stupid", "Children are stupider than adults", "Catholics are peaceful". It depends on the individual. I've seen a 5 year old kid who can hold a better formal conversation than some guys in my college. Two of my good girl-friends in college are among the smartest people I've ever known. It depends on the individual, but yes, The percentage of smart people in atheists is more than the percentage of smart ones in religious people.
     
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    #27
    I've yet to see that Atheist are smarter study .
     
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    #28
    You should ask your smart girl-friends if its logically possible to come up with a correct conclusion that "statistically, its a fact that atheists are almost always of a locgical fram of mind which makes them smarter". If they are intelligent they will both say that its impossible to determine this without a full global study.

    Since your an atheist then you should have a better chance of being logical enough to understand that most surveys and studies are made with around 1000 people and from a certain REGION. Boht Relgious and Atheists are very different in diff. regions. Ex: If the study surveyed 500 hutterites then Atheists would be way smarter because in their religion its a sin to steal but 99ish% steal.
     
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    #29

    A logical frame of mind could just as likely mean having eliminated the possibilities in life that lead to spiritual understandings that are not illogical but are symmetrical to nature and indefinable.

    Spiritualism is not quantified by logical standards of "smartness" and is the flaw that atheism allows its-self in believing they are "smart" when actually they have simply narrowed the possibilities of understandings to suit their own lives rather than attaining the actual life that is available and necessary for them, to learn by in seeking an everlasting they fail to understand.
     
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    #30
    I think its common sense that Atheists are generally smarter than people who think that a random guy made a boat which could fit all life on earth or that someone can revive from the dead or part seas, we need a study for that? ;)
     
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    #31
    You need a big fat study to sustain any global claims . Otherwise it's not a logical statement . It might be analogical at best. Right now what your saying has not backup .
     
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    Korrupt Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Try searching a bit, you'll find many.

    People who are atheists by choice, find it hard to believe that there's a "thing" existing all around us, or living in the sky, watching our every actions, hearing our every thought, and blah blah. They deny the existence of such a being existing logically. It isn't so hard to understand.
    And religion is religion, whether you believe in hinduism, or Christianity, Buddhism, or even Pastafarianism. Just the God and values they believe in are different.

    Eliminated the possibilities that seem impossible. How about the example that Fang people of Cameroon believe that that witches have an extra internal animal-like organ that flies away at night and ruins other people's crops or poisons their blood. Sounds bullshit to you right? In the same way religion and god sound bullshit to Atheists.
    As for it being symmetrical to nature and indefinable, trees, plants, wind, air, and whatever you include in Nature, isn't indefinable. To some who fail to understand it however, it's indefinable, but not to everyone.
    And spiritualism is different from God, but I don't believe in that either. And being smart isnt' narrowing the possibilities of understanding, it's expanding them. Rather than trying to explain everything as "God made it so", they try to understand what really causes it, for example, the sun. They used to worship it in the past as a God because they couldn't understand what it really was.
    Also, you're a pretty devout believer, you just said that leading a religious life is the actual life, and it's necessary for them. You fail to respect other person's beliefs. You remind me of a cartoon strip I saw, I'll post that later, got it saved on my laptop.


    Check this out http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm xD
    Specially the ones from 36-41 xD


    Read this post. What you say has no backup either, have there been any studies which prove god exists?
     
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    #33
    The only semi-viable piece of evidence in your favors is study (i couldn't find it's source data) that says that "maybe" males 18-28 whit liberal thinking maybe smarter whit an average of 3 IQ points then a conservative male .

    The study is based on samples of data take from the US . It's more of an essay then a study from my point of view .

    A study that can be revealing would be a worldwide study carried out on a minimum of 6 million subjects of equally spread across the demographic and geographic scale .
     
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    #34
    Well, we can't really take your word for it considering that you are a known Christian Basher so your head is a tad one sided and closed.
    There's another one sided statement. Generally speaking the atheist stand on the science side which is fine but there are portons of science that ilogical and totally stupid. Example: vv cephei=The largest Star discovered. Here is one of the best images caught of it: http://jumk.de/astronomie/img/vv-cephei.jpg. From this picture science has the size of it, distance, luminosity, temperature, and the list goes on. As you can tell science is obviously making up crap as they go along. It doesn't end with stars. I'd say its a pretty sad example of a really stupid person to believe in that from that picture. But yes I do agree with you in one part. Its just as stupid to think there is someone floating in the sky as well. I'm sorry to say I've never heard of a religion that truly believes this. Physically someone in the sky.....
     
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    #35

    The Garden is the physical presence of the Creator. The Creator is symmetrical to nature but is indefinable by its physical presence alone. The persuasion of the Garden is God and is definable and is the requirement for remittance.
     
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    #36
    Don't overlook the phenomenal growth of Islam in U.S. prisons.

    It turns out that a religion that approves of violent morons beating their women has a lot of appeal to felons.
     
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    #37
    I can imagine a rapist going : "Oh ya bitch , I'm a holy man now , I'll f*ck you in the name of the one and only . And I'll f*ck another 23 bitches including a loli . Thank you bearded one nigg* bit*c "
     
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    Sounds like a rap song! :p
     
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    #39
    Where'd you get that? I do remember posting it but can't find it. Anyway, you ignored the other ones I believe.
    The equivalent of the US National Academy of Sciences in
    Britain (and the Commonwealth, including Canada, Australia,
    New Zealand, India, Pakistan, anglophone Africa, etc.) is the Royal
    Society.

    If you define 'believers' as those who chose 6 or 7, and if you define 'unbelievers' as those who chose 1 or 2, there were a massive 213 unbelievers and a mere 12 believers.
    For the details, and all the rest of their very interesting conclusions, please refer to their own paper when it is published.
    The Search for God in an Age of Science, describes a large survey of randomly chosen Americans that he and his colleague Frank Sulloway carried out. Among their many interesting results was the discovery that religiosity is indeed negatively correlated with education (more highly educated people are less likely to be religious). Religiosity is also negatively correlated with interest in science and (strongly) with political liberalism.
    Out of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold "beliefs" of any kind.'

    Neither did you respond to this.


    Atleast you don't think that of me >.>
    I do respect other's religions, but I also stop respecting that person when they try to attack me for being an Atheists.

    Illogical and totally stupid...mhm...How about Parting water with his hands? Or the wine and bread turning into blood and flesh? Die in the name of religion and you'll get virgins in heaven? Or thousands of other examples in mostly all the religions?
    And how do you know they are MAKING this up? Did they make up the other galaxies too? How about gravity? How about evolution? Are they fake too?
    As for the star, do you think they just take the picture? I might mention that on the website itself, they said that "This data may be uncertain" or something on that lines. Anyway, here you go.

    They named the consellations, so it isn't hard to figure out which consellation it is in.
    Light takes time to reach the earth, the image you see is 2000 years old this means. How do they find it out? There's some technique for that, just like there are techniques for finding out the age of Fossils and stuff. Might have to do with photons. If you google for "How do you find the distance of stars" you might find it.

    That's how bright it looks, again, it's on a relative scale to other stars so nothing hard.
    They know the distance of the stars, they can see how far apart they are in space, it's just a bit of trigonometry.

    again, they name it by comparison with other stars.
    With comparison to sun.
    They know the size, they know the composition, not too hard.
    They know the distance, again, a bit of trigonometry.

    Pretty avatar btw? Who is it?

    And...? English please >.>
    I think I get you. Garden(nature)=physical presence of god? So he's tree and leaves and air and flowers and nectar which the bees drink and the soil and insects everything? Lets zoom in a little bit...OMG LOOK BACTERIA! A bit more...OMG LOOK CELLS!..A bit more...OMG LOOK MOLECULES!...And a bit more...OMG LOOK NUCLEUS!
    Sorry about the trying-to-be-funny-thingy, whenever I think of what made anything, I think of what it is really made of, breaking which down to as far as human knowledge goes - Protons, Electrons, and Neutrons. They make up proteins and stuff, which make up cells. Cells make up the body.

    Every religion has it's good points and bad points, can't judge it by one of it's points.


    What I think of this: No one is going to admit they're wrong, but this discussion is going to go on and on until it gets locked up or one side stops replying. It's fun though, carry on. I like discussions, as long as people don't try to be absolute idiots just so the other side gives up.
     
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    Ya thanks for bolding out the test Korrupt . It makes it easier to read you know , a real bloody display of intelligence you are .
    I know very dam well what the Royal Society is . It's an elite group but since when is an elite group an exponent for the world population .

    stOx didn't limited the claim and nor did you . You're baking up a general claim that applies worldwide whit evidence that applies to a extremely small elite group . You can quote all the articles that you want as long as I can't see the original article I won't buy it .

    What says that you need a good world wide study ? Basic statistic that what says , why do you think governments and international organizations like the UN , IMF , WHO pour billions into statistics ? It just so happens that making statistics it's one of the things I did at the university . The data that I've posted was based on a CNN article which is quite a reliable source of information .

    Show a study of the global population before you make or back up a claim that can be applied to the worldwide population .
    Until then what your saying is nothing more then an scientifically unverified information .
     
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