Atheism is the new religion

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  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #401
    No one group has any more or less of a burden of proof than any other group.

    In fact, no one has a burden of proof at all. No one is required to prove their religious beliefs to anyone.

    Y'all might consider acting less stupid.
     
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    #402
    The burden of proof is obviously with the person making the claims that something exists. Especially when they don't shut up telling everyone how true it is. If they don't want to prove it they should shut their mouths and stop telling us it's true.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

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    #403
    That idiocy is obvious only to your own undereducated mind.

    Have you completely failed to notice that you are the worst of the little e-jihadi's who won't shut up and instead keep constantly telling everyone how true your own ideas are? You haven't proven anything, you just keep telling people that what you believe is true. :rolleyes:
     
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    #404
    How come you stayed completely clear of arguing the Evolution case Will?
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

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    #405
    Why argue? I know the truth.

    There's no hope of convincing anyone on this topic, so why bother?
     
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    #406
    Will is a fraud BRUm. He is no more atheist than any of the other primitive religious types we get on here. Except in wills case he a bit better at being deceptive.

    This so called "atheist" comes to the rescue every time someone calls the primitives out on their lies and never once comments on the validity of science and how it destroys claims made by religious scripture. He's a fraud and a deceitful liar, A perfect christian in that respect.
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

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    #407
    You're a funny little kid st0x. :rolleyes:

    Anyone who is interested in what I believe can simply read The Liberty Platform.
     
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    #408
    I have said many times, I'd rather convert to a religion than call myself an atheist. I find atheism to be as vile as much as islam.

    The only reason I dislike islam more is because they actually kill people.
     
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    #409
    Thanks for your worthless, pointless opinion... Now go back to opposing mixed race marriages, There's a good lad.

    There is nothing atheism would hate more than to have a bigoted racist on their side. With your views you are more suited to the religious corner, Perhaps the cross burning portion of the religious corner.
     
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    #410
    Wow will, that website is great. I'm surprised, I didn't think you were like that.

    This surprised me:

    No offence, but I thought you were one of those people who oppose immigration and want extensive border control.

    Hmmm.. you're a republican right? So why would you oppose republican supported legislation? Or are you patriot first?

    I agree with everything on that page, except from the statement that the US is the best country in the world. Sure, it is a nice country and has many nice things, but when someone starts thinking one country is better than another, that's when nationalism starts.
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

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    #411
    I'm a humanist. I don't believe that a human being can "belong" to a piece of land. Feudalism is so tenth century.

    I support the Republicans because the Democrats are much worse on the issues which I care about -- freedom and liberty.

    I've seen both Democrats and Republicans trying to make our immigration situation even worse. It's not an issue which is clearly divided along party lines.

    The Democrats don't want foreigners coming here to take their jobs. The Republicans don't want foreigners coming here changing their culture.

    I'm not terribly patriotic. It's too close to nationalism. I believe certain things, and I am allied with the U.S. because it is the closest nation on Earth to representing those beliefs.

    But it is true. The U.S. is the best country in the world. This is not because of any innate properties of the land. This is because of the values which the U.S. represents -- it's because of the ideas in the heads of the average American.

    We're the intellectual descendants of a very special group of men who founded this country more than two hundred years ago.

    Logically, can you agree that some countries are worse than others? If so, then you must logically agree that some countries are better than others. If this is true, then it follows logically that one country is better than all of the others (for a specific set of criteria). On the one end, you have North Korea. On the other end, you have the U.S.
     
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    #412
    Interesting, I like what you say.

    Although, no, I don't believe any countries are better/worse than others. I too believe that Humans inhabit this earth to roam, and should therefore be able to travel where ever they wish. Land is just soil.

    I still disagree with the US being the best country. I think the beliefs of which the US was founded upon are the best ideas, but you can't exactly say that the country is exactly the way the forefathers intended it to be.

    Just for one example: Bush is in control of the US. Is he an avid Evangelical - not good. Especially when one of his advisers is the leader of the Evangelical movement. It's toeing the belief of state-church separation.
     
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    #413
    So you believe that North Korea and South Korea are equal?

    You wouldn't prefer to live in one over the other?

    Grass is yummy! :D
     
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    #414
    Atheism is NOT a religion; it is simply not believing in a god(s). In fact, those who believe in "god' are in fact demonstrating a total lack of deductive reasoning. Personally I find it very childish to believe in "god'. Not unlike an adult still believing in Santa.
     
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    #415
    I think atheism is for those that

    1. Like the feeling that they are going against the crowd

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    2. Have yet to find a path that advances them spiritually

    I am not Christian, I am Pagan. I have been since I was 12 (i am now 24). I have discovered many religious and spiritual paths. Not all of them were for me. How are you any different from the Christians who say "this is the only true path"? Are you not doing the same thing by saying "you who believe in any religion are all wrong"?

    To say you no longer believe in God, in his/her various forms, is like putting up a wall between you and progress. If you hate all the religions you've tried then try another. Don't give up and simply stop searching. There are many paths to God (or Goddess) and religion is only one of them. As long as you keep searching you are on the right path. The only way to get off that path is to stop searching and give up. However even then, the path is still laid out before you. You can climb back on at any time.

    And you are 15, I can assure you that you still have much to learn about religion and other spiritual paths. Its almost a fad now for teens to turn to atheism because it seems rebellious. In time you will see what I mean.
     
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    #416
    Every pagan I know is completely whacked in the head. Most are barely employed druggies with severe sexual dysfunctions and unpleasant weight-control issues. They all seem to be perpetually immature.

    If I had to judge a religion by it's adherents, I'd have to go with Mormonism. Almost every Mormon I know is a clean upstanding citizen with a decent job and a good family life.

    Atheists seem to be divided into three groups:
    • The immature and angry crowd (these people can be of any age)
    • The young and happily oblivious crowd
    • The mature and self-centered crowd

    Atheism can be a very hard religion because it forces you to accept a role as an independent being who is solely responsible for their entire existence. As an Atheist, you don't have a deity to lean on. You also don't have a supportive social structure like a church. You don't even have a supportive and guiding culture, as is provided by many religions. It's just you.

    I have long felt that it would be a good idea to form a "church" for Atheists. Unfortunately, my patience for interactions with the immature and angry crowd makes this an extremely unpleasant task. The happily oblivious crowd wouldn't join. The mature and self-centered crowd would barely join. The young and angry crowd would join and would then make the culture of the church impossibly awful for everyone else. It would be just like listening to the Atheists in this thread! :rolleyes:
     
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    #417
    That's funny what you say Blueflutterby. You make it sound as though we're meant to and have to find a "spiritual path", as though it's as everyday as going to work. I think that is putting a wall between you and progress, as you like to say. The reason for this is that in craving and desperate seeking for this path, it's a huge distraction when you could be getting on with more, let's say, tangible things xD

    Will, I wouldn't be too sure about those Mormons. I have a very close friend who has just broken away from the LDS church. They have some pretty scary secrets that they keep well between themselves.. and let's face it, it's not normal for people to be that happy :p
     
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    #419
    Who the hell is that guy? He looks like the backstreet boys dad.
    "i may be knocking 40 but i can sure as hell still shop at GAP!"
     
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    #420
    I think the follow extracts need to be shown to you guys, it's extracts from a letter written by Albert Pike to Mazzini in 1871:

    Check it out here
     
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