Armed Illegal Aliens and Mexican marijuana cartels take over US National Parks

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  1. ShaneC

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    #81
    Thanks.

    Largely. The majority will never be willing to accept drug use as a legal thing.

    Not the case at all. Education, and structure are the building blocks to any successful society, and individual person. Sociology 101. If you don't have them properly in place, then societies and individuals alike will most likely fail.

    Problems facing low income demographics occurred before the war on drugs was even put into place, since the beginning of human civilization. Has the war on drugs magnified it? Yes. However, drugs are a catalyst, not the entire cause of failure. I've already said one million times the war on drugs needs to take a different approach. It's clear you have a hard time understanding both basic psychology, and sociology fundamentals.

    Yes, but the numbers are wayyyyy smaller, and generally the crime is isolated. Commonly drug use is in middle class+ areas is due to problems at home, self conscious issues, or peer pressure.


    I agree. I just don't agree with how you think the situation should be handled, as free thinking individuals we are both entitled to our own beliefs, theories, and interpretation of life's events.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Yet they already do, liquor, tobacco, chocolate, caffeine just to name a few.
    No matter how badly you want it to be, it does not stop the issue of drugs. It helps to a degree, when the drugs are on the streets with no QC, no control, being sold by gang members the education aspect only slightly helps. It is not even close to a full out solution, don't kid yourself. If it was towns with extremely well to do schools would have no drug problems, guess what? They still have drug problems, almost every community has some form of drug problem be it pot, coke, meth, etc.


    :rolleyes:
    One of the reasons to ban pot was back in the good old days and more of a racist approach. Even the rich have drug abuse problems.

    You have an extremely difficult time grasping anything that actually comes with factual information.

    Oh yes you've said 'a million times' that the war on drugs needs to take a different approach. Your grand strategy is more education and activities in the poor neighborhoods. That helps a little, it does not even come close to solving the problem. You don't even change the war on drugs much at all if any with your approach, simply increasing the education system, of which should be done anyways.


    Not at all. 'Numbers being smaller' just because you do not know your neighbor tokes up does not make it so he doesn't toke up.

    Inner cities appear to have more of a drug problem because that is where you go to get the drugs! Yet another failed point of logic in your reasoning. Why do you think the inner cities are so bad? The gang bangers using the drug war for their own gain. This isn't rocket science, and to be at all honest I am getting extremely annoyed that someone such as yourself who obviously knows nothing more than what he read from a few anti drug pages is even trying to act like he knows.

    I know many drug addicts in my small town. It has nothing to do with how they were raised, being self conscious or peer pressure. Some simply do not like liquor and turn to other drugs such as pot. But I guess you wouldn't know anything other than what you read on a anti drug website hey?


    ---BTW many 'rich' areas use prescription drugs for their drug of choice for legal reasons. Prescription drugs that many times are more addictive than the street drug themselves.



    Oh sure you're free to interpret what you wish, just please use facts and not fantasies. I have been in inner cities with crack heads, witnessed more than few injecting heroine and other drugs. To the standard coke, pot, acid, shrooms and more.

    Most of what you are claiming is based off of fantasy, of which does more harm than good.
     
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    I'm a complete and utter idiot. My life is one big fantasy, everything I have ever experienced was not real. I know absolutely nothing about the world, my thoughts hold no volume whatsoever. I am nothing.

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    Why do facts scare you so much Homebiz? Does it cause the world as you think you know it to come crumbling down around you?
     
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    At what age should children start shooting up? 5? 7? 15?
    What do you recommend?
     
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    Yeah nice argument Homebiz. When your lame argument was totally destroyed, spin it to that I want children using drugs.

    Too bad for you I am against children using drugs, it's your stance keeping drugs illegal that makes it easier for children to get than alcohol.

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    BTW does hiding from facts make the world less scary to you?
     
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    So at what age grim should someone start?
     
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    So at what age can we expect you to have an actual argument?
     
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    At least you are willing to accept it. Some people still go around holding their notions of self-intelligence, self-superiority and self-importance when they are nothing but total *Insert expletive here*. :D [Not referring to anyone in this thread]
     
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    At what age GRIM? Nice job at avoiding.
     
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    Homebiz I am not 'avoiding' anything. I am not for children using drugs, I am not 'for' drugs, quite the opposite I am for fixing the mess that has been created by the failed war on drugs.

    I'll make this as simple as possible, so that even someone with your IQ can understand.

    You can not twist it to ask me what age a child should start drugs as I am not 'for' drugs. I am for common sense approaches that dry up the supply, dry up the demand, create products that do not kill, keep the shit away from children, take it away from the dealers, save tax payers billions a year, stop the violent crime associated with the war on drugs.

    I can not answer your question that you put out there as it doesn't make any sense at all.

    With the same logic I should ask you. Why don't you want the dealers out of business, why do you want them selling to the children on the streets?

    Again Homebiz your pathetic argument was destroyed, now to try to turn it into I want kids on drugs is even more pathetic.

    When will you bring an actual argument? I would think a police officer as you claim you are would have some form of knowledge on such a topic.
     
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    #93
    Hello...

    Armed Illegal Aliens and Mexican marijuana cartels take over US National Parks

    If you would just "legalize it" (marijuana) then you wouldnt have people messing up the forest
    or us tax payers flipping the bill for when they are imprisoned.

    laterz
    malcolm
     
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    Nice catchphrases and insults. So now you are against drugs.
     
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    So you still have nothing to bring to the table.

    I am against the war on drugs, it's really not that hard to follow along. Even with your limited mental capacity, you should be able to see it.
     
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    #96
    More insults but no smilies?

    What? HUH?
    What Huh?
     
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    lmao.... what war?

    nothing has changed or will ever change

    laterz
    malcolm
     
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    In his own little mind.
     
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    Homebiz, yet again it's not wise for someone of your mental ability to try to rip on his superiors. In all reality it's a rip on yourself in return ;)

    So you still have absolutely nothing at all to bring to the table. Figures.

    Decriminalization never occurs? Really? Tell that to local communities who fight the drug war, states like Alaska and California among others. Things do change, it simply is not 'easy' nor is it outright victories overnight.

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    Homebiz I see yet again you changed your post after you created it.

    Please show me where I am 'for drugs' I am AGAINST the WAR ON DRUGS that does not equate to being for drugs. The only one 'for' drugs in here would be you, your support of steroids shines through.
     
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    Some insults and 1 rolleye.

    What do you consider a victory?
     
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