Armed Illegal Aliens and Mexican marijuana cartels take over US National Parks

It is a prescription drug. Another reason to get rid of the failed war on drugs. I know many people who are on 'oxy' and the like. They are able to go to the clinics w/o any money and get it prescribed by the doctors when they can not afford the standard street drug of their choice. They are able to get it 'prescribed' and walk around knowing nothing can touch them, because should they smoke pot, the drug they would like which is much less dangerous they could get into trouble. However since now they got a 'prescribed' drug on the states dime they have nothing to worry about.

Bringing up prescription drugs only solidifies the failed war on drugs, not the other way around.

Supply and demand are intertwined.

Prohibition the best item to compare the situation shows us that when you legalize a banned product the underground fades fast and furious. The profits will no longer be there per sale, nor will the amount of sales be there. It will not be worth it to take the risk.

I am all for education and the 'demand' did you not read my 'counseling' aspect. Ohyeah you did, but now try to claim mine is not based off of 'demand' as well?

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Or making the product less addictive, many ways 'demand' could be addressed a lot better than the current failed strategy.

 

Forget the rest, here is my final reasoning.

Demand is the backbone. I could stock up on thousands of fanny packs, but I'm not going to be able to sell them because no one wants them.

Since the most addicting drugs are chemically addictive, it would be too late for current addicts to take "less addictive" drugs without first detoxing. The time clocks are set, the drug they took, is the drug they need, no way around it. With that being said hundreds of new drug users are created everyday at the fault of current drugs, it would literally be impossible to break the cycle using a method of less addictive drugs. Rapid detox is the only thing that can break an addiction quickly (there are other methods, but most are not accepted by the medical community as safe, nor proven), but it costs a ridiculous amount of money, and the mental aspect of addiction is still there. My point with that is this: drug use is far too wild to ever be controlled (even a tad bit) like you suggest, I can best compare it to rats in NYC, you kill a couple in your apartment, but else where 20 more are born. The only thing you can do is have a clean living area, and prevent their re occurrence. UNLESS you can some how grasp upon the entire NYC rat population and control it? This is why I believe your idea is seriously flawed. Communities (especially inner city) need to work better to give kids other options than drugs, schools need to work harder on establishing, and developing individual interests at a young age, and break the cycle of new users. Potentials are not being reached. Will new addicts still occur? Absolutely, but I think the current levels could be cut dramatically. Prevention should be the main attack. Sorry for using fanny packs, and rats to establish by view, but I was having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

 

I never saw ocasional or even daily Ganja use destroy a family while I saw it happen with use of alcohol.

Some people just don't get it and think that soft drugs are something that gets you killed or you become addicted. Usually those are the ones who never saw it or tried. Not saying that I tried but like I said. Family guys who smoke Ganja live good family life while on the other side the ones who drink usually end up destroying everything around and spending all their money on alcohol, getting in trouble in a bar or doing something stupid on the road.

Now tell me this : Who is bigger danger to society ?

a.) alcoholic
b.) Ganja smoker

 

Yet prohibition defeats the point you are trying to make.

Totally incorrect, a drug could be designed to be less addictive. Even in the world of underground drugs there are those that are more pure and more addictive than the next.

Again totally false, you are basing your entire point on false information.

Yet again totally false, you continue on the same stance with information which is nothing but fiction.

You base your reasoning on totally false presumptions.

Using 'rats' however, would you rather have 'clean' rats running around or 'infected' rats?...

 

What countries have legalized cocaine and marijuana?

 

Well said and we all know this to be true as well. A - final answer

 

Well according to your logic 'steroids being legal' the US.



THC and Cocaine can both be had with a prescription.

 

Some countries like Boliva permit that growing of cocoa and the leaves are chewed by locals. Marijuana is a weed and can be grown almost anywhere. It is a product that would be very hard to tax.

THe unregulated flow of opimium during the 1800's to China almost ruined the country and resulted in the first war on drugs - 'the opimium wars'

What you are describing is the drug culture. They will imbide anything -- Herion, marijuana, herion, crank, prescription and designer drungs.

 

Many countries have decriminalized, many of our own states have taken steps.

How about Palin's own state?

Ahh yes 'unregulated'

They will use alcohol which is worse for you than many, many of the street drugs, they will use aerosol cans, yet people honestly think making an item 'illegal' and casting out their users is a winning method?

 

People, people .... you can only fight drugs one way.

Education and providing FREE playground for young. Numerous FREE tennis courts, basketball courts, etc with FREE tennis rackets, basketball balls, etc on EVERY corner.

Repression never worked.....

 

All mighty grim you are right, I'm wrong. Let's hope for something that will never happen, and in the mean time ignore the most logical, and proven way to cut down drug use, crime, poverty and violence.

 

Oh yes the 'most logical' way that continues to fail, while using false assumptions for that logic.



But you're right when something is proven not to work, when history shows it will not work, lets just continue on the way it is causing more harm than good. Great idea!

BTW for those of you who use the failed strategy of 'well illegal drugs are worse than legal'

You can also see from the above many of the 'dangers' are a direct result of the illegal nature of the drug and bad QC. But yes lets continue on the path that we are using false information and ignoring history.

http://www.ccguide.org.uk/addicts.php

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Cut down on 'violence'

You have to be kidding me. The 'war on drugs' study after study shows the 'war on drugs' causes violence, it does not decrease it.
http://www.csdp.org/edcs/page24.htm

 

You have missed my point completely, and instead your arguing something that's not there. I've said at least twice the war on drugs is a failure. There is clear separation between the war on drugs, and the lack of both education (not drug education, education) and community structure that has taken over our society.

Education, going to school and actually finishing? Community structure making up for the dead beat dad that's not there? Activities to keep John Doe away from the dope man? They are proven tactics that need to be both increased and improved. The direct correlation to that of crime, drugs, poverty, and violence is there more so than anything else.

 

No actually I have not missed the point as you're still for leaving the drugs banned which only makes it easier for children to get.

Ahh yes 'education' which I am all for. Education however can not be the failed version of false propaganda that causes more harm than good.

What do you think happens when little Timmy tries a joint and finds out that 99.9% of what he was told about pot is false? He believes the items on other drugs are false as well.

That still does not take away from the simple fact keeping drugs banned makes it easier for children to get, makes the drugs more dangerous, makes it that much harder for people to get help if they so choose so.

Education that is proper and TRUTHFUL, more activities is all great, still doesn't take away from the other truths of the matter.

The war on drugs drives crime up, it's exactly that type of education that fails. False information being stated as fact as you appear to be doing.

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BTW I am going to sleep, I don't have another 1/2 hour to wait for you to type 2 sentences.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,366907,00.html
http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-17.pdf

 

So just in the United States then?

 

So then you believe cocaine and thc is 'legal' in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis#By_country

Canada's own supreme court has ruled

 

Sorry I don't live on Digital Point, if my main focus was to debate with you, I would honestly feel bad for myself. I'm honored you took the time to wait for me in the past though.

My original point was this: The war on drugs has failed, they need to take a different approach. I don't see what's wrong with that. Your entire concept of legalizing drugs WILL NEVER HAPPEN. I'm working with something that is proven to work regardless if drugs are legal or not.

Education needs to be worked on, that's obvious, and part of my point. A lot of the material taught when it comes to marijuana, and even sex is vague, and bias. But again, I'm not talking about drug education. I clearly stated that in my last post, repeat I'm not talking about drug education.

Giving youth the education, and structure to succeed will severely diminish their chances of falling to the streets(fact). Children in areas of low income DO NOT have the same opportunities of those living in the middle class and up(fact). Low income areas are the places drug use are affecting the most(fact). In the very beginning of this thread I stated "75% of kids in Detroit don't graduate high school"(fact), Detroit also has some of the highest crime rates, drug usage, and poverty in the nation(fact). Not only does this happen in Detroit, the trend exists across the entire US(fact). What if only 10% of kids dropped out? Crime, drug usage, and poverty would also drop(fact through correlation, and common sense).

The war on drugs is such a tiny stroke on the canvas I'm trying to paint for you. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Get over the idea of drugs being legalized it's never going to happen, marijuana maybe? but that's it. You have a better chance being killed by a falling piano or even the Cubs winning a World Series. Work with what's there, the statistical evidence of what prevents drug use, crime, violence and poverty NOW is on my side.

 

Considering you were 'replying' the entire time makes the point.

It's proven to work, really? So because you think something will not happen, even if it's the best remedy for the vast majority of the problems one should not discuss it as such?

So allowing the drugs to be illegal and easily accessible to youth and not having 'drug education' you actually expect to keep youth off of drugs. Interesting..

As would taking away the easy way into their own lucrative business 'dealing drugs' Why go to school when they can sell drugs and make more money in a month than they would in years 'legally' Why do you think inner cities are so ravished by drugs? The drug war in itself creates drug dealers, empowers gangs, and so much more.

Get rid of the dealers on every street corner pressuring youth to buy their illegal wares and usage will go down drastically.

It is not on your side, no matter how much you like to claim it.

The war on drugs in fact creates more violence and crime, even poverty and drug use itself. Those are the 'facts'.

Your plan does nothing at all to take away the quick buck aspect which drives the illegal drug trade, nothing about quality or addictiveness. There will not be a chance of 'legalizing' for the greater good as long as people are close minded to the actual realities that exist.

 

I'm not sitting here waiting for your reply.

Yes it's proven. In this case absolutely yes. The general public will never open their mind up to such an idea.

Never said anything about not have drug education. Youths need to have education, and structure to succeed. The odds are stacked against the ones who don't.

Why is it that it's the poor communities with the most problems? It's the poor that are largely being bothered by drugs, because it's damn cycle. Kids growing up in the hood don't understand they have other options, because they never had the proper education, and community structure around them. The ones that do have a much greater chance of never bothering with drugs.

It's the events that push a child to lean that way.

 

Good for you.

Ahh yes based mainly off of them believing such things as reefer madness.

Only to a limited extent. Education and activities are great, alone they however are only a bandage if that.

It's the war on drugs that gave the setting for this to occur in the first place. You honestly have a hard time understanding the black market don't you?

Even in the suburbs with proper education, plenty of chances drugs are still an issue. That kind of destroys your 'education and activities' is the perfect solution.

Yes, events like the drug war which has been proven to cause more problems than it fixes.