no, that made sense. Seems interesting, although being full atheist, I relegate anything supernatural to outside the universe... where it might as well be nonexistent.
Understood and actually partially agreed: I think about 98% of supernatural claims are BS, and I rarely give them any credit. So I am almost totally with you.
I'm an agnostic by choice. But at times I think like a hardcore atheist. So, I guess I'm somewhere in between agnosticism and atheism.
I am an atheist too. However, my parents are from islamic background, I mean they think that they are muslims, but in reality I think they are not, they dont pray 5 times, they smoke, they drink, etc. There are many people like that, I call them "light muslims" I think if there was more freedom for children in families, like mine, there would be more atheists. But we see a different situation, most kids are brainwashed by parents, why not leave it to them and choose when they grow up. p.s: agnostic I guess
well, I think that calling any god a theory is an insult to the scientific method, and established science. And there is no proof.
This is what I believe as well. My husband and I have agreed then when our children grow a little, and are able to make their own decisions, we don't mind them going to church with my In Laws (who are Born Again Christians), but not as small children. The last thing we need is for one of our daughters to come home terrified because they learned that their parents don't believe in Jesus Christ and so are going to Hell.
Then start a thread and prove it.... But remember...... Just because you can prove the God of the Bible or Quran doesn't exist, it doesn't mean you can prove that there was never a God. Only that human attempts to understand him it or them, got it wrong.
You can find indirect evidence that god exists in the scientific laws that we find for almost everything in our universe. I will reword it and say order cannot come from randomness. Its lik eme telling an atheist that im going to throw a rock on the ground and it will pop up as a chicken. The atheist will never believe in this and say its magic, and yet most atheists believe that all of these scientific laws came about by random chance, scientifically it makes no sense and it also doesnt make sense from a common sense level. This is why i am in constant awe of the incredible power, intelligence and love that god gives to us and the universe as a whole. Actually NFS, most kids these days are brainwashed by society to be atheists . Our society today has lost alot of its love and morals and we are geared more towards caring for the almighty dollar more than anything else. If only kids today would take a more unbiased, less wannabee of society view they would investigate their parents faith just as i did when i started questioning things as a teenager. Now that i am totally convinced that god does exist i no longer have those doubts lingering in me.
so your question is 'where did the laws that govern the universe come from, and if they were not always there, doesn't this go against Entropy?" Well, first, this question has 2 answers. I'll give you the scientific answer first, then I'll tell you why the question is wrong. Scientific answer: Before the big bang, the universe was a 0-dimensional singularity, in which time does not flow, because time is the 4th dimension, which is 4 dimensions higher that are present in a singularity. When the singularity Exploded in the big bang, our current set of physical laws sprung up immediately, in parallel to the creation (In a loose sense- by this I only mean its coming into existence) of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dimnsions. Linear, planar, spacelike, and timelike, respectively. Thus since there was no time before the big bang, and these physical laws came into exisence at exactly when time begun, there was no 'time of disorder' because there was no time. Other- Entropy is a kind of physical law, that states- "on average, disorder will increase". Since it came into being at the same time as the other physical laws, it is not applicable until it exists.
Then you have to set forth the question of what set off the big bang. Second we can say other types of laws probably existed before out current set of laws and you still havent given me an example of entropy. The other question is how did that singularity exist, who created it and could that singularity have been created by random chance. Sounds to me like there had to have been a super intelligence that would have created this singularity. Or do you believe that this singularity came into existence by chance(again going against common sense and the scientific method or reasoning). To me i see a pattern of order thats leading to god.
Yay I found out what I am today apparently, there was a word for it, I just didnt know it lol. Anyways... I was raised to be a run-of-the-mill modern christian, but began to have serious doubts about my religion when I saw all the things going on behind the scenes of the church. Naturally, I did not want to be a part of this group of people, so I let my mind wander around for a few hours before going to sleep. I decided I did not want to live my life "in preparation" for the afterlife (which, if you read enough of the bible, is basically what being a christian is all about). Basically, I decided to live my life for the sake of living my life and nothing else. Which brings me to the conclusion (and my current view on Life, The Universe, and Everything): I dont give a flying f***. I officially claim to be an Agnostic. Thanks for reading
Hi brother SeanBlue, I am a believer because of the following Bismillahi Arrahmani Arraheem Iqra'a bismi rabbika allathee kalaq kalaqa al-ensana min alaq iqra'a wa rabbuka Al-Akram allthee allama bilqalam allama al-ensana malam ya'alam In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. 1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists), 2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood). 3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous, 4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen 5. Has taught man that which he knew not. Do you know how old is this, It is 1443 years old from now and science stand up for respect to this Noble Book.
Science stands up in respect for nothing! Science has no limits, and anything that will not stand up to rational objective observation can go to hell.
Thought you didn't believe in hell. Anyways, science does have limits and so does rational objective observation. You cannot rationally objectively observe an emotion for example. You can only observe its effects. That doesn't make the emotion false and the effects real does it? Science is also limited by the tools we have. It is reasonable to assume there are some answers we may never be able to develop tools to answer too. We may never have the tools to answer exactly what is the nature of a black hole for instance. We can infer and theorize, but not exactly prove, many things.
Well, in this context, 'go to hell' is an example of what I say in this thread. In fact, In modern English, go to hell is a figure of speech. And while you cannot objectively observe an emotion while it is occurring, one can remember it and more or less objectively investigate it in retrospect. Or one can develop a machine to observe brain chemistry, and electrochemiconeural impulses. By reading the outputs of said machine, one can study said emotion. What are scientific theories but a rational and objective investigation?
Any student of world history can tell you that religious beliefs have always been used for controlling people's behavior and giving them a purpose in life. Whether or not it's actually fulfilled in the afterlife isn't known, and never will be - until we all die. How do you know what's religion and what isn't? For example, it's still debated whether or not Confucianism is a religion or a personal belief system. But deep down, what's the difference between those two? Things like that attribute to my being agnostic - I think I am Jesus. God m*******ted, and out came Me. No semen came out, just I came out. In baby form. The whole story about me being born out of my mom's stomach is BS and I know it. That's just how it is.