You know what? Any religion ain't making sense, whether it is Christianity or Moslem. It is just a story to which you choose to believe.
No it does not, they had honor killings also before there was any muslims at all. I suppose you would call that a pre-muslim tradition then, just so you can connect muslims to honor killings. Honor killings is a family honor thing (the honor of the men in the family of course). Even the filthy killers that do this say that they do it because of the family honor not because of Allah.
Right on!! I also believe that the bible has the most historical manuscripts than any otherbook out there. WE believe roman culture and other cultures from manuscripts. Yet with the bible haveing the most people still cant seem to grasp the historical FACT!!! Really great read here. Think about this people!! http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm
The bible is a historical catastrophe. I mean how old is the earth according to the bible ? Yeah right.
Let me answer you with Romans 6:15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certain not! Romans 6:22 "but now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." John 14:14 "If you love me, keep my commandments" (The Bible does teach God's righteous Judgment - read the whole of Romans Chapter 2 - but it is a judgment by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.) Romans 4:1-4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something of which to boast, but not before God. For what does the scripture says? Abraham believed God, and it was account to him for righteousness. Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt." Galations 3:6 "therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham". And once again Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God, NOT of works, lest anyone should boast." You can go before God boasting of your own good works/deeds consider Isaiah 64:6 "But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags." If you also read about the second coming of Christ you will clearly see Mohammed does not fit these prophecies. 2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light
Any one who reads the Bible would know it makes no claim on the age of the earth - I don't think it really cares - its make these claims about the earth - It was created by God - It was subject to a worldwide flood - It will be cleansed by fire and recreated by God. (and I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first one had passed away).
The Bible doesn't make any claims as to how old the world is. However, some people say 6000 years and others say 4.5 billion. I really don't think it matters.
Are you kidding me, if muslims were killing in the name of god then every muslim would be killing a non-muslim. Secondly if islam said that kill a non-muslim (which it doesnt) then why would islam be the fastest growing religion. No religion can grow if it is voilent. We are not with these terrorists and they are not muslims if they say that we are killing in the name of Allah.
Sorry, I meant the age of man, not earth. If you add up the generations man is about 6000 years old. What kind of stupidity is that ? In that case I bet you christians do not believe in science, but you are using science when it fit your needs. Tell me, do you believe in science ?
I'm sorry if you think science is a 100% always correct unchangeable set of FACTS. Science is not - Much of the science we hold to be true in this century will be laughed at in the next. Scientists can't even agree Global warming. Some Scientist quotes for you to ponder # Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible - Lord Kelvin, British physicist, 1895. # "There is no likelihood that man can ever tap the power of the atom" - Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize physicist, 1923. # "There is no hope for the fanciful idea of reaching the moon because of insurmountable barriers to escaping the earth's gravity" - Dr. F. R. Moulton, University of Chicago astronomer, 1932. # "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it." - Erwin Schrodinger talking about Quantum Mechanics. # "As far as the Laws of Mathematics refer to Reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to Reality" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955). # "Only two things are certain: the Universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the Universe" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955). I'm not so sure your faith in science is based on much of a firm foundation at all. Some things science can not yet understand even adequately Gravity - yes they can explain its effect, suggest that mass causes it - but they can't describe and they don't understand it enough to create anti-gravity (which would be quite a handy thing) Light - is it a particle or a wave - or a particle moving in waves? Fusion - we know it powers the sun but have yet to harness its power Relatively, including possibility of other states of existence (you might call it the spiritual realm or warp space or any other name - there are theories but no one has really explained them). and finally The Human Brain others might want to add some others here. I'm not saying science won't answer these questions - but I am saying it hasn't answered them yet. Can you further explain exactly your definition of SCIENCE? I believe in what I see, hear, feel, smell, observe. I then reason these things into what I believe is a logical conclusion. Scientist take certain data and come up with different conclusions even amongst themselves. Read a couple of science papers you will quickly realize science is constantly uncertain. Uncertainties, built on hypothesis, built on human weakness. Isaac Newton - founder of much of what is modern science - physics and more still stayed a God believing theologian all his life? He was the greatest scientist of his age. Would you be shocked to find many scientists are religious - perhaps they realize science does not have all the answers.
Typical christian talk to fog up the discussion. We all know that use of scientific methods to show age of objects are fairly accurate. Like layers of earth or rocks, its like rings in wood, how long time the layers needs to build and so on. We find remains of humans and animals in these layers that we know how long time it takes to make. But I suppose as a real christian you will also argue about how long time rings in woods takes to form. And answer this simple question. Have you ever used science to prove anything from the bible ? Or do you just believe in whats written (and rewritten) there. If you have not, do you believe in people who use science to prove things from the bible ?
Yes the old layers upon layers theory - takes millions of years see here each layer represents a certain time period and hey presto we have a PROVEN Age. You would be happy to know the scientifically proved age of Rangitoto Volcano in Auckland New Zealand is 300,000 years old. Just a slight problem, the Maori's record that the Volcano was not there 300 years ago and only is a relatively recent addition to the landscape. If you visit Rangitoto I think you will quickly realize it is not 300,000 years old as the rock has been dated - in fact no reputable scientist would claim Rangitoto Island to be 300,000 years old - oops just must be an error in the dating method - I wonder what other errors there are? As I said before I don't use science to prove the Bible - the Bible is primarily a book of faith and salvation not science. If science is your religion well and good, but I don't think its as perfect as you are making out. Some other layers of earth or rocks - take a visit to Mount Saint Hellens - you will remember this Volcano blew its top in my lifetime and probably yours - Go to a canyon with thousands of layers that form in less than a week and hardened in a month into the lovely rock formation that you claim shows millions of years except we know thats not the case. Go to the various mines where they have dug up fossilized gears, signs of advanced technology in rocks 'millions of years old' As for the age of the ancestors I think you will find between Genesis and Chronicles there is actually a disagreement on the individual ages - also the genelogy lists can be different between the book - I don't know if every generation was even recorded - Jewish tradition often skipped unimportant people, etc. So do I believe the world started at 4004 B.C. no probably not, do I believe the world is thousands of years old - Yes do I believe the world is millions of years old - No - I don't think a fossil could survive for millions of years - there are just too many fossils in relatively good condition. That is how I interpret the evidence. You interpret in another way.
I will drop the discussion here. Cannot discuss with anybody who have no faith in science at all. Hope you will not ever have to go to a hospital or a doctor as what they do is based on science and that will not help you at all.
Because I am religious and believe in Jesus in your opinion I must be retarded. Have a look at my post on time travel (C the 'universal constant') barrier being analogous to the sound barrier. I do think about these things - I'm not retarded. If you don't think science is manipulated and controlled by those in power for their own ends I suggest you read the story of Nikola Tesla - A giant in the field of science - not even credited - we hear of Edison the great inventor - next to Tesla he was a rank amateur. Have a look at true genius. Do you know Tesla had learnt how to provide electricity to a house without any need for wiring?! Why are the people not allowed to have this fantastic invention? Imagine the saving on copper alone - why? simple commercial gain - Westinghouse and others could only benefit from power if they could measure how much was being used and charge the consumer for it - hence why power is delivered to your house via power lines - FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. But TRUE SCIENCE also shows that is not the way it has to be. Science true science leads many to believe that free energy can be created - will the powers at be ever allow that to get out - no - without controlling people source of energy they lose their control over the masses - imagine the masses having unlimited free energy - no heating costs, no power bills, no fuel bills - free travel, transport, etc the knock on would destroy the basis of the current economic world - if you have free energy why would you need to leave your home or require money - FOOD and Energy are used to keep the masses controlled - you must work for both - but what if you didn't what would you do then? Google Tesla and have a read - it will probably sicken you like me how true science is perverted and how a genius like Tesla is quietly ignored. Much of his discoveries are known only to the American Government elites.
What I must have FAITH in science - it is a religion - it requires me to trust it, have FAITH - thats a very religious term. You held science up as a fact - facts don't need faith - faith is for unproven things. I do go to the doctor when sick - are they always able to cure - no - I've had two operations to repair a painful injury - did it fix the problem - no it lessened the pain - but only by taking pieces out of me. This is your perfect science - medicine is the worse of science - most doctors will tell you for any given set of symptoms it could be hundreds of different things. I've had doctors tell me - I've got no idea why that happens? We know your in pain but can't explain it? We will try this or that. If medicine was a perfect science then people wouldn't die of cancer. My wifes a registered nurse - I not belittling her profession but she is well aware of its limitations. Does that mean don't go to the doctor. No you do the best you can. You take whats on offer. If your thirsty in the desert and someone only offers you half a glass of water do you not accept it because half a glass is better than none. You are glad to take whats on offer. Its the same with science. Likewise I use the imperfect science in existence because its the best we have. But I recognize it is imperfect. You do not. You base your world view on Science yet you have stated that requires FAITH - I base my world view on a Creator God and that also requires Faith.
Here is a pic from wikipedia and Tesla`s laboratory and I do not want my electricity delivered this way : No, I do not see you as retarded because you believe in the bible. But there are some scientific facts like rings in trees and so on that cannot be argued. But you still argue them. I firmly believe that the layers in rocks can tell us the age of the rocks and thats it.
I really enjoy reading alstars70's posts. One thing I can say for "certain", there is some very good meat in it
religions is the stupid things. God created 4 kind of religions? What the hell? He must be not consistent at all...the only questions is, both bible and quran are novels.