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Are we born with free will according to the bible?

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The 'C-Z ideas' are used in this context 'If the options are forced on you (either choose A or B - if you choose A, you'll live, if you choose B, you'll die - when there are still C's to Z's and still other options out there), is it free will?'
but since you brought up a question (albeit its being a bit off-tangent), I will answer it.

Yes, good is not good enough for me. Because your good and bad may be different from mine, the muslims' good and bad may be different from mine, or yours, and definitely God's good and bad is still a bundle of interpretations yet unresolved for us all (unless you think we can all fathom God's infinite wisdom?)

I do not want to be too presumptuous so as to think that my idea of good and bad is the ultimate interpretation of God's own good-and-bad-dialectic. I do not want to fall prey to religious pride (although I believe we're all bound to be caught aware or unaware by it) that's why I make a conscious effort to check my intentions when I post. I have read your post days hence and I wanted to post an answer right away but I decided against it because if I did, I would be caught in the trappings of a debate - me standing firm on my contention, you standing firm on yours.

The initial reaction has faded and the intention to seek prevails.

As I've mentioned, I am not here to prove anyone wrong. I raise questions because who knows, nobody may have the exact answer but somebody may share a viewpoint that may nudge me some steps further to the journey I'm taking. I ask because I seek answers.... and if i don't get answers from people, in a way that may be God's answer for me.

Yes, I am digging through the bible to find a 'quote' about free will. I am doing so because I have been given an avalanche of biblical 'quotes' that have been expected to be my guidelines and tenets for living from the time I got to know about God, so why would my seeking the guidelines for 'free will' be any different?

Should I just bank on the dictum of 'free will' without me even knowing whether God explicitly stated that he gave it to us? Should i not determine whether it was just the religious leaders of yore who coined the term 'free will' and pased their own interpretation up to this generation?

Should I not ask so somebody who must have read the bible a dozen times can point me to the exact verse that 'quotes' free will from God himelf? I ask because I may have a dearth of information. I ask because I wanna know (I have not completed reading the whole bible yet and I have already started. I am just curious as to where 'free will' was explicitly stated because I have not reached the verse that encapsulates such a statement as of yet.)

When I find it, I may say 'I don't believe it', yes. But I MAY also say 'I believe it.' That's the purpose of seeking. That's the purpose of wanting to know God more. And whatever I may say when I find it (If I find it - coz you didn't give me a definite verse yet ), don't worry, God's always there to guide me. Don't fail to trust His sovereignty.
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There is a method to find out what is good and what not. Unfortunately there is no 'scientific way' to prove what is good and not. You will need mind, feelings and belief, well right belief and use them all properly...(I will elaborate all this, when I catch some more time).

Until then...There are two questions here (which are not totally separate but are also not the same):
-what is good
-what is good for me

I believe that there is possible to reach the level, where I can always answer on 'what is good for me', sometimes I can say 'what is good for all' (and I have to allow others to find that themselves sometimes). In some cases it is possible to say 'what is good for you' (e.g. father may know or at least predict what is good for his son).

For me, it is always important to know what is good for me and only sometimes is needed (or possible) to know what is good for you/him/them/all.

boron, Nov 14, 2007 IP

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