Are we being TRICKED by Google? Does NOFOLLOW pass juice?

Discussion in 'Google' started by Fbos123, Mar 27, 2010.

  1. #1
    Ive noticed my sites with nofollow links ranking better than sites with dofollow links

    I think if a site has 100 backlinks... and ALL are Do-Follow.... then Google says ok well the odds of that are one in 20,000 so this must be an SEO site..... and yes its anchor text is all the same lets discredit all backlinks on this one


    However, if Google sees nofollow, dofollow, a mix..... it'll look more natural


    Ive even seen some posters say that they believe No Follow links have helped their rankings

    What do you guys think???


    - FBos
     
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  2. infogle

    infogle Prominent Member

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    #2
    yes google pass the juice for nofollow also... these tags means nothing.
     
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  3. kolchakA

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    Fbos123, I also noticed the weight from nofollow links on several on my websites.
     
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    #4
    Nofollow would absolute pass no juice. However, Google did change a way they treat nofollow for a few months ago since the end of 2009. The change has been made because of abused by some webmaster as usual.

    Old Concept - Nofollow does mean pass no link juice and PR. Googlebots "still crawl" on that nofollow links to see what site has been linked to.

    Ex 1 If one page has score at 10 and has 2 outbound links. All of them are nofollow. The score on that page is still 10.
    Ex 2 If one page has score at 10 and has 2 outbound links. One is dofollow and one is nofollow. The score on that page is 9 because of -1 for one dofollow link.


    New Concept - Nofollow does mean pass no link juice and PR. Googlebots "still crawl" on that nofollow links to see what site has been linked to. However, even the link juice and PR has not being leaked, the value of the page is still diluted.

    Ex 1 If one page has score at 10 and has 2 outbound links. All of them are nofollow. The score on that page is 8 because the 2 nofollow links. None of them passed any link juice and PR as usual.
    Ex 2 If one page has score at 10 and has 2 outbound links. One is dofollow and one is nofollow. The score on that page is 8 because of 2 outbound links. One nofollow does not pass any link juice and PR while the next One dofollow pass the link juice and PR.

    Hope this help :)
     
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  5. AirForce1

    AirForce1 Peon

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    #5
    In my own experiences, nofollow backlinks might not transfer PR juice to the linked pages but they would still be helpful for SERP purpose. It would also help in increasing link popularity and generating a more natural backlink structure.

    Thanks,
     
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  6. reapr

    reapr Peon

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    So ... ok no follow links will not help with Yahoo? Shsss ... don't tell anyone.

    Still consider nofollow links regardless PR may be indicative of a page that is getting some decent traffic and is still worth placing a link on regardless. It may or may not pass PR but if it has a lot of vistors and you link is highly relevent well you will see a few of those visitors.

    Google dumped the nofollow due to linksculpting. But depending on how you read the article does it imply that internal PR was changed only?

    Regardless Matt Cutts says that your time is better off creating content and getting more links to your site.
    http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/interview-matt-cutts-012510.shtml
     
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  7. Abhik

    Abhik ..:: The ONE ::..

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    #7
    Well, there was a video from matt cutts on this.
    According to him, Google doesn't count nofollow links and doesn't pass any PR or Link Juice.
     
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  8. SOULZRIPPER

    SOULZRIPPER Well-Known Member

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    #8
    Well a relevant link is useful no matter if it's dofollow or nofollow.

    Since Google stresses on the fact that Dofollow is the best, then go for it :p
     
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  9. oranor

    oranor Peon

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    Yeah and Google also says they can't let anyone know anything about their proprietary system. I think the stuff Matt Cutts tells everyone is like months old. How else do you think google controls everything? They get themselves setup for the top and then implement the new system. Wait a few months.....oh here comes a Matt Cutts video......"OMG Google just updated their system"..........That's my belief.....I find more use in the no-follow links as everyone seems to hate them. I just grab the no-follow link by the hand and lead it to my site...lol.


    Oranor
     
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  10. transferfactor

    transferfactor Peon

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    #10
    everything need to be natural, and something pure just make things sick
     
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  11. sub103

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    #11
    yes,nofollow is useful to be natural
     
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  12. longcall911

    longcall911 Peon

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    #12
    While some of your sites may rank better than others, I don't think the 'rel' tag has anything to do with. If there are 200 factors that determine rank and 'rel' is just one of them, it's too minor to have real significance. I also don't see why G would conclude that a site has been optimized and consequently penalize it, just because all of its IBLs are dofollow. . . doesn't seem logical. I think the opposite might have merit. That is, if a site had only nofollow IBLs that could be a signal that the target site is not very trustworthy.
     
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  13. xc06

    xc06 Notable Member

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    I also think nofollow link can be useful in link juice. No rigorous proof though.
     
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  14. metros

    metros Notable Member

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    #14
    Well, The nofollow/dofollow is just nothing important.

    There is 1 simple rule, If the site is bad (porn/stolen apps/casino/etc) use nofollow, else dofollow - Google can detect if it is good link or not and still will give you a value if you do that, But it is just another "tool" for them to detect bad websites..
     
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  15. China_girl

    China_girl Well-Known Member

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    So it means that whether do-follow or no-follow, either the one is available on our page the score of the page will go down from 10 to 8, because of the two outbound links ?
    Great example thou, just a little confused :)
     
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  16. SeoKungFu

    SeoKungFu Active Member

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    No, it means that if the two out of the ten outbound links are "nofollow", then the page rank for that page is downgraded with the appropriate scale, and the example used simple numbers for clarity.
    So instead of having same PR as for the 10 links, spread over the 8 remaining you have the amount of PR without the amount for the not followed distributed over the remaining 8. In other words less.
    This happened mainly because of abusing so-called page sculpting.
     
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    China_girl Well-Known Member

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    Yes I had also read somewhere that google will now start penalising the ones who have some other sites links in the comments section of their blogs. This means that the bots do take the no-follow links in consideration too. They must have added some additional code in their algo to penalise and not count the no-follow pages for PR.
     
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  18. sub103

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    #18
    I totoally agree, more natural, google like it
     
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  19. kraran

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    Dear Fbos123,
    Link Juice and Pagerank is dead.. Don't waste your time for those... Presently, all it matters is Content... which is Original and Unique...
     
    kraran, Mar 28, 2010 IP
  20. simple007

    simple007 Well-Known Member

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    I also read something like this PR is dead....
     
    simple007, Mar 28, 2010 IP