Are the "linking" factors the core of GoogleRank?

Hi.
I've read some articles about GoogleRank.

It seems finding as more websites to point at me is the key to boost GoogleRank; while we shouldn't point to other websites since it is equal to give away points to others.

Is it true?

Any other important factors wich can affect GoogleRank?

 

I am not sure about not linking to other sites... It shouldn't have any effect on the rank!

 

I'm confused what you are mean. Are you talking about PageRank if so then every inbound link gives you pagerank and outbound link gives pagerank away.

If you are talking about your ranking in the listing then that is a lot more complicated question with a lot of different factors. Since google goes to such efforts to calulate the page rank you would think it would have a effect, but their are other more important factors.

Hope that helps.

 

Can you explain what you mean by this. Either...

1) That the mere presense of an outbound link on a page can lessen the ranking of the page itself.

2) That a page has the ability to "give" page rank to other pages by linking to them. So by linking somewhere outside your own site therefore will give less ranking to your own pages being linked to from that page. Hence, perhaps, "giving pagerank" away and by a minute percent lessening the average page rank of your site's pages.

3) Something else.

Because when people say "gives pagerank away" they often sound like they're saying (1). Which has to be complete and utter codswhallop!

Either way, don't be so bloody tight and paranoid about pagerank you buggers. You get back what you give to the universe in one way or another.

 

I'm trying hard to do well on Google, but it's very competitive. I've heard about how being linked to many other websites will help with Google ranking in particular.

But my websites do better with Yahoo! and MSN, for some reason.

 

Blackbug is correct (see above). This myth about losing PageRank by linking out to another page is utter crap. I do NOT understand why this amazingly stupid myth continues to circulate.

 

Hey, apart from linking factors, what other factors do you know is important?
Any good websites which talks about GoogleRank or PageRank?

 

Sure. This is a good one. Start reading threads on Google and SEO here - you'll find lots of information and a lot of tips.

Then go have a look at www.seobook.com - buy the book and start reading it.

 

It seems to have according to this paper:
http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/

 

Thanks.
Anyway, any good free articles in the world wide web which we can read online?

 

With PageRank as written in the original paper, outbound links decrease PageRank. There's no ifs about it. However, we don't know what is the current version of PageRank that Google uses (I don't think it is the one on the toolbar). Another thing is also sure, that outbound links don't hurt SERPs unless your site is a link farm or linking to bad neighbourhuds. Google may have some other scores that assess how natural is the linking profile of a site. In a Google paper from 2001, they say that usually, as incoming links grow, so do outgoing links in a very precise average power law, and so does content. Basically, the paper says that naturally a site:
1. grows in pages
2. as it grows in pages the number of incoming and outgoing links grows
3. the number of incoming links is grows slighly faster than outgoing links

Finally, have in mind that people naturally link to sites that link to many other quality sites..and natural links are the best ones.

 

Adding extra outbound links to a page decreases the amount of PageRank that can be "passed on" the the other page, so that if there is a single outgoing link, it will receive PR=X as a result of that link whiole iof there are 10 outgoing links each of those pages will receive PR=X/10. The value of the originating page does not lose PR as a result of this.

 

Minstrel, you are completely wrong. If outbound links didn't affect the PageRank of a page, then PageRank would have been calculated in one pass. However, PageRank is calculated in multiple passes because the relationship is recursive. I'll try to explain it as geekless as possible.

You fall for the PageRank formula, which is based only on incoming links (not outgoing). However, have in mind that the incoming links of a page can get a large part of their PageRank from the page they link to. How? It's easy, home page A has a truckload of links from other sites. Homepage A links to internal page B. Page B gets a lot of PageRank from home page A, and page B links back to page A. So, page A get's even more pagerank from page B (which gets that PageRank again from page A) If you put a link on home page A to an external page, then page B will get less PR and will pass less PR back to home page A. Thus, home page A AND page B get less PageRank. It's really simple. Look at the paper, from the other posts. The examples are correct. I have run them through a PR calculation program I wrote and they are correct.

Outbound links on a page affect its PageRank. That's why PageRank is calculated in many passes, until the values converge.

 

Yeah, yeah. I know all of this on a theoretical/hypothetical level. I also know that on a practical real-world level none of that means a tinker's damn.

Go ahead and link out to other pages as much as you like. As long as you are not tieing yourself to anything that could be classified as a "bad neighborhood", yopu are NOT going to see any loss in PR.

 

Loss of pagerank is not always reflected on the toolbar because the values there are crunches. Let me propose an experiment: give me a few site-wides from one of your sites to all of my sites and I bet you'll see a decrease in pagerank (unless you gain many new links)

 

No. I've had these discussions many times before. If you want to do theoretical experiments, knock yourself out. And any time you come up with actual hard evidence demonstrating that anything theoretically lost by linking to other pages does any damage to a page in the world of actual reality, feel free to come back and post it.

Until then, I really wish that you and your fellow PR theoreticians would stop telling or implying to people, especially "newbies", that they shouldn't link out to other pages.

 

minstrel, where did I say you shouldn't link to other sites? I think I said you *should* link to other sites. I explicitly stated that outbound links decrease PageRank as put in the original PR paper and I stated I don't believe Google uses that exact version of pagerank. I also stated that it does not affect SERPs. Read more carefully and don't put words into my mouth and keyboard.

 

Step into the real world. Have you not seen countless posts from people saying "I read that linking out to other sites causes my page to lose PR so I'm afraid to do it but how do I get people to link to me if I don't link to them?"... That's my point. I wish people would stop propagating this meaningless theoretical drivel and confusing everyone.

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minstrel, I see your point and that's why I explicitly said that although there's a loss of PR according to a paper whose PR version may be outdated, there's no loss in SERPS and actually other scores may devalue your site if you don't link to other sites. I basically said that the PR leak is true theoretically, but that you should link out to other sites. And I will say it again, read what others post before jumping on them.

 

I read what you posted. I also said why I objected to it. Read the first post in this thread and ask yourself whether posting a theoretical argument about the PR leak myth is helpful to that person.