Are my 90,000 links to a 3 month old site considered some sort of spam by Google?

Hello everyone I've been an avid reader of DP for a long time, and now I'm looking for specific advice and hope to give back to the forum any experience I have thus far.

A new site ~3 months I've been working on is having some issues, and I need to see what's causing this. I have a couple hunches though, Links or Java Alert's on outbound links. * site details * below the question

1) I have 90,000-100,000 links going to my site, all of which (except maybe 100) are from the *same* site. These grow by 500-1000 links/day. Every link is with the same KW anchor text of my domain and KW I want to rank for. Is G seeing these links as Link spam, or keyword spam somehow? How would this be affecting the site SERP in G?

2) A few days before the first major drop in SERP on G (see below) I changed all the outbound links ~15 on the home page to have a java alert box for each visitor. Before only two of the 15 links had alert boxes. Are all these outbound links w/ alert boxes against good SEO practice? Would they effect SERP in G anyway

Site details:
Newer site: ~ 3 months
Domain Name = KW to rank for (goodexample.com) =KW:good example
KW Competition = "low competition" (G KW tool)
KW Searches = 900 Global & 400 Local monthly searches (G KW tool)

Ranking/SERP Ranks
For the first month this site was ranked #4G and #1 for yahoo & bing, which brought around 15-25 unique visits/day.
Then about 3 weeks ago, I changed the outbound links so each link had a java alert (which may not be affecting this at all), and after 3-4 days, it dropped to #500 on G, still #1 for the other two.
Then 1 week ago it came back to #2 in G, and still #1 for the other two.
And 3 days ago, the site dropped down again to #500 in G, and still the same for yahoo and bing.

To me it almost seems like there's a part of the G algorithm trying to rank my site high, and then something else is getting picked up and it's dropping it outof results.

Have any ideas, suggestions or anything to add folks? If you have any questions for me, please ask.

 

Humm, I'm shocked my thread has gotten 50 views, and 0 replies :-/ Being this is my first post reaching out to members I'm disappointed. Would anyone care to share their advice and thoughts on my questions?

 

Google are always testing and changing their algorithm. The links to your site are rather unnatural, it would only take them to test reducing the authority of that type of link, or something to do with multiple links from a single domain, or with the same anchor and your results could come crashing down. There is also a theory about a honeymoon period in SERP's for newer sites, perhaps you have experienced this.

That being said, I don't know what you mean by "alert boxes" but if that changed at the same time the site dropped, try reversing what you did, if it comes back, there's your answer.

 

steve_gts, Thank you for the reply!

The amount of links are unnatural. A marketing friend runs a proxy site and has my site anchored to every page that is opened by users of his site. I'm not sure if it's really helping anything, or even hurting things at this point, esp. being my site is small and new. The alert boxes are java alert boxes so that when a visitor clicks on the outbound links, an alert box pops up to give them a message before directing them to the other site.

News - Today G has my site back at #2 spot on the SERP..... I made no changes at all and the site is back... still trying to figure this out. Anyone have the 800 number for G? LOL

 

Not sure about the java boxes, but I think you may find better results if you built links slower and gradually. 90k links from the same website must be pretty redundant, you'd be better off getting just a couple of good links each day from different domains.

Also, it's fairly normal for a website to do the google dance in the first month after it gets indexed. Just give it time, keep building links slow and steady, and I'm sure that before the website completes the second month it will be steadily locked in #1.

 

Um YEAH...90k link to a brand new site is definately grounds for a RED FLAG and a Penalty I am sure! I built 300 to a site that only had 30 and got a penalty!

 

It may help you get penalize but the procedures that you took to get that back links counts most rather than the no, of links. If you had done it with white hat techniques, then no need to worry. But I don't think you made 90K links in 3 months with only white hat techniques.
Keep your fingers crossed..

 

here is the magic of backlinking....1. its not the number of links. 2. its not the number of links and 3. its not the number of links. ITS the quality of a link eg. Yahoo Dir, Dmoz, Business.com, High PR forums, blogs, sites relevant to your niche. HOW TO APPROACH THE SAFEST BACKLINKING METHOD?
1. In google search bar (TYPE: link:domain , domain is the site of your competitor, and do this for a few of your competitors)
2. You will get the results of there backlinks that google has accepted as appropriate for your competitors domain.
3. Start listing your URL on those links starting with the highest PR sites since you will get tired soon..lol

Enjoy

 

Smitten, Thanks for the reply! I'm still looking for data on the alert boxes too, to see if they could affect SEO. I am also building links at the same time as keeping the site on my friends proxy site. As I said above, the ~ 100k links are *all* from the same site, and they are totally redundant. It's anchor text on a proxy site, and basically every time someone visits the site and does a search, once the new pg. opens up, my site w/ anchor text is on the page. My site is now very close to 3 months old/new, and of course I'm learning but I still wonder if I should pull the anchor text from the proxy site, and/or remove so many java alert boxes (if these things are "bad seo").

highrollert, Thank you for the reply as well, however like I said the links are from the *same* site, and I don't think they are seen the same as unique links, are they? I'm sure you built 300 mostly unique links right? I'm still unsure how G is seeing this anchor text link, on my buddy's proxy site...

Chris Thomas, I'm not sure what your first sentence says but I believe the anchor text being on the proxy site, linked back to my site is "whitehat". I don't see it any different that me buying advertising on this sort of site. Would G see adding anchor text to a my site, on a proxy site that opens so many new pages each day as blackhat in your experience? Hehe Thank you, but I don't believe in luck, I do my best to create my own destiny.

Does anyone know the details about the metrics of outbound links, and specifically java alert boxes on every single link. As well as, how the same link, from the same site showing SO many times would be analyzed by G? I know there's SO much unknown about G SEO, but maybe someone knows with specificity how these two details are affecting the SEO.

Thank you all for your advice and and opinions. I hope to be able to close this post w/ some solid data both for myself and others.

 

That's 30,000 links per month and for a new site I wouldn't be surprised if Google flagged it. Links have to be gradual and from a range of PR sites. Personally I would try and rectify. Revisit good websites and get some good links, BUT GRADUAL. To give you an idea, I started in this game 3 years ago (2007) and I still run the same 3 websites I started out with. Initally I went and get every single link possible and what happened to you did to me. So I looked and retifiying what I was doing wrong and now I create about 50 links to each site every day. That's all. Aiming for 1,000 per month, roughly.

I'm guessing by having 90,000 in 3 months that you paid for them also?? Google hates paid links.

 

if you querry: link:domain on google and see links from your friends proxy site then why would you remove it ...keep it.

 

tor 1870, Thank you for your tips and good advice. I'm working on the BL magic, hehe and I totally agree w/ your advice and method. I am still doing the things you mention, actually using scrapebox to harvest my competitor backlinks, and I am posting to high PR sites/WPMU, etc. On your method, I actually use yahoo, and then link:domain.com b/c Y, shows the links much faster that G, and many times G wont index links like Y, so you're able to get more of your competitors links. Then manually post on these high PR links, well the ones I can anyway.

Still though, could G be seeing these link(s) as "spam" and kicking my site around like a hacky sack, or one site w/ constant links to my site, on every page they have? good tips on the linking though Thanks!


Tor 1870, G is not showing these links through searching by link:domain.com, however under my webmaster tools section, under "links to your site" I'm showing around 100 sites linking to my site w/ only one link, BUT the proxy site w/ ~100,000 links to my site. Actually none of my links are showing through searching G, i.e. link:domain.com, however most are showing under webmaster tools. Thanks again ;-)

 

you know what i find very unfair but i love that it happens all the time...i have no proof but say i want to seo domain.com/category1 (keyword: category1). If i create a adwords compain for the keyterm: category1 which links to domain.com/category1...it will within a month have a huge massive jump. Just make sure you show up on the second page of google, so adjust the cpc, also select to have ad show on network sites. This way you will not spend much at all but enough to keep your ads showing.....

 

tor 1870, I have read and heard of that happening way to much, and I totally agree that's it's not cool. I guess it's seen as good business sense by G for a couple reasons. I am not using PPC yet, and really don't want to with this site, b/c it should rank #1, all the time as little competition is around, and as focused as my site it on this niche. If I owned a business (search engine), and owned the PPC business, I would probably want people doing business with me to rank higher too. lol

Isn't G SEO FUN ;-)

 

Yahoo shows every link there is to a domain..lol, which can get overwhelming, Why Google only! cause its telling me its a white link pure and simple yahoo doesn't, of course you can't go wrong using yahoo links, but why not spending your time going through all your competitors from page 1-2 and try to get listed on those page.

As for google webmaster tools it does exactly what yahoo does it shows every domain and how many links from that domain, that is for the webmaster to see inorder for him to decide the acutall physical relationship of his site to www. Its different from what google finds white link and acceptable.

 

100,000 links from the same site didn't benefit you any - thus I don't think you'll get penalized for this.

 

build another 90k links in next 3 months and you will be on top of google

 

I cant give you my advice because im just a newbie. Another way, can u show me how can you build 90000 backlink on 3 months? Im newbie on SEO and my trouble is also link building. Can anyone give me some advice as well ?

 

I wouldnt have thought a massive amount of links like that would get you penalised. Afterall how easy would it be for a competitor to get you penalised if that was the case. Google would just discredit those links especially as they are all coming from the same site and IP. Google seems to naturally give a new website some exposure to kind of test the water so to speak and if it does well give it a higher ranking.

 

You're maybe right. Sometimes my site only shows less than 800+ sometimes more than 1000+, after few days it goes back to 900+