Read my post again. Look at possibility #3 that I mentioned. I'll correct you, the word is pathetic not honorable as long as his "healing" remains simply a claim.
Real scientists are not concerned with disproving the existence of god, they are concerned with greater things. Its impossible to prove the non-existence of god because the word 'god' does not have an absolute definition or meaning. 'god is in your hearts man!!' Some say religion is a faith, but really its a delusion. If you tell children that a big fat bearded man comes down the chimney and delivers gifts every year then they will believe it. A rational adult will want to see it before believing it. Only humans are big headed and self-involved enough to come up with the crazy idea that the existence of everything is based around humans. Very misguided, very delusional.
And oh Rick_Michael, if you still want "proofs" (not that any "proof" is due), check this out: http://www.godisimaginary.com/ Especially the videos.
I read all three of them. You tacked on your own requirements for three which made it invalid. Are we talking about your signature link? Surely you can appreciate the irony you are dishing out here
I consider myself atheist most of the time (agnostic others)... I'm not extremely liberal but much more liberal than conservative. Religion fuels descrimination, intolerance and backwards thinking. None of it's positives outweigh it's negatives. Does god make all of you sound the exact same too? Didn't have room in there to add in something about young white males did you?
Well #3 clearly countered your claim that god did heal him. What irony? I speak out against religion on that board as well. That board is for discussing UFO sightings, conspiracy theories & paranormal experiences. In no way does it endorse the existence of any, it is a forum for those curious about those topics to share their thoughts. If you have any criticism about the board, take it to the appropriate category there.
How could it? I posted in regards to your comment. Well there's some real legitimate discussion! Do you make your own illudium Q-36 explosive space modulators too?
Read #3 carefully again. This thread isn't about my signature link (certainly not about marvin the martian), so if you don't have anything relevant to contribute I suggest you shut the fuck up.
What does this have to do with anything? I called it a 'faith' and I stated 'I don't know,' so your statement is 'invalid' ie useless. Ha...someone has to use that word in better fashion. Who care!? It's as important as the mysticism that resides in you e.g your mind creation on the last comment. I wasn't even approching this perspective. I wasn't saying you were trying to prove anything, but that your mentality is 'invalid' ie useless. Your method of reality is breaching on pragmaticism, with some sort of self-created version of morality ie you say I don't like people whom don't think like me, because I my method is the 'way'. Or in your words: """What I dislike about the believer's mentality is his/her willingness to accept something as valid without evidence!"" I read it perfectly fine. The common Christian won't give a fuck about you, nor would they to come-up and prove something to you,.... so they don't need to prove shit. If priest jack wants to debate ideas at that point then he could be up to that standard...but there's no real reason for someone to have to prove their beliefs or anything for that matter (when it's not a matter of open/honest debate); and regardless as stated, the objective person would come-up with a neutral position. Thus I. Did you even read the rest of what I wrote!? Your languages is implying that I believe in god throroughly, yet I've already quoted in this thread I'm an agnostic....and I also deeply implied it in my response. Especially with the comment of saying 'I don't know.' My favorite part of this comment is that your getting all cocky on the last sentence, when you've just made an assertion that's incorrect. Rational, indeed!
I read it the first time. Rewrite it, and you might have an option I can agree with. Or is "read it again" really the best you have? Translation: Only post if you agree with me. Hang on a sec, I'm still laughing at that last suggestion Ah, kids!
Rick_Michael, Neither would the common kid in a bedroom right now somewhere waiting for santa claus to swoop down his chimney late december. I apologize, I never intend to slight agnostics. That's desultory thinking on your part, I uphold what I said about faith without evidence being invalid. EDIT: Lol I think you meant agnostic not antagonist!
You said:"You left out the obvious possibility...God healed him. I'll go with that. There's nothing more honorable than a man humbled in the presense of God and gives him credit for the great things that happen in our lives." Possibility #3 that I listed was: God did in reality heal you but there is no proof to this other than your claims, therefore it is not credible & not to be accepted as an actual event. What does a warner brothers cartoon have to do with me agreeing or disagreeing with you? There never was any debate about that, you made an irrelevant post. Agism again Great job, throw in "nigger" & "faggot" as well, the hordes will cheer you!
all i know is religion has been the bases of almost every major war to date, and billions of people have died for their "god". I myself have better things to do than waste my time worrying about religion, or trying to change someone else's mind about theirs. maybe i'm just a simple minded individual, but i think if religion has killed so many people it must be a bad thing so I avoid it altogether. BTW, look how many people are bickering in this thread because of religion.
If necessary think of it that way. Personally I say you shouldn't bother with the issue till it comes to you. If some one asserts my god is better than your 'no god' or my god says we must do this, then I could understand your position. But I don't care about other people's mysticism...for the most part it doesn't effect me...and perhaps I don't think you should be targeting those of faith when for the most part it won't effect you. Just my opinion. Forgive me, it just seems your barking up the wrong tree. If you want to target the stem of the issue, argue against mind-creations (aka mysticism) and all it's multiple forms.... But first you have to realize reality is based off of three perspective: the known (the provable or irrefutable), the unknown (not yet proved but not throroughly disproved), and the false (that which is throroughly reputed). You'll understand my position on things by looking at that perspective when approaching ideas of this nature ie you might see there's no need to postition yourself anywhere but a neutral position. It's the second mistake on this thread about this. I suppose when I argue in that sort of position, one can confuse me for being such. Similiar apology your way...I do tend to lash back in my own ways...so while I might think it's right in the moment, it isn't. 'Desultory'? I had to look that word-up... You got to remember the context of that reply. I'm not countering your belief in such, I'm countering that it had nothing to do with what I was writing. What you wrote: 'Faith that can not be proven = invalid. And in my personal opinion, stupid. If it can be proven then you won't have to label it as "faith" anymore.' My comment was focused on the bold. I said what does this have to do with anything?...and that it's a useless statement, because I wasn't implying it was anything more than faith. Context is extremely important.
Communism? Not quite war, but not religious...yet millions died because of it. Should we blame all athiests or should we look at the particular idealogy behind it that made it possible? I say the second. And generally I agree with your second view on not wasting too much time on changing other people's religious or non-religious perspective.
I don't hate christians, I hate the reglious right, the church, the pope, jerry falwell, etc but if it makes you more secure to believe I hate all christians go ahead, a lot of chirstians already have a BS persecuted complex, go ahead and run with it Have you guys noticed yet if a christian says something like "I beleive in Christ" Nobody really has any problem with it, be it on internet board or real life But If you say "There is no God" then you are asshole and you are disrespecting peoples faith etc, and people try to change your mind
When's the last time an atheist came knocking on your door telling you what to believe in? When's the last time an atheist told you that you were going to hell becuase you don't believe what he believes? When's the last time an atheist started a war because "god told him to do so"