No, God can see everything, he is the "All-Seer", it's one of his attributes, he knows what you think and what you conceal in your heart. You can never hide from God. In fact, he already knows what you are going to do tomorrow, and your entire future. Allaah is never and has never been ignorant of anything. What we say is that he is with us with his "knowledge" He (Allaah) said: Fear not, verily I am with you both, Hearing and Seeing, Quraan, verse 46]
Yes, God could have chosen an easier route. In fact, salvation could occur with a simple command of God but he lowered himself to us and chose to be born in a stable. Jesus was humiliated and chose the simple pathway to teach us along the way. He allowed himself to be led to the slaughter like a lamb to become sacrificed. Jesus did not come to point fingers and to command people to worship him. He came as a teacher and represented the lamb of sacrifice for our salvation. Money and all the materials that belonged to the world was irrelevant to him. That is why he is a great teacher because he actually followed his words with his actions. Why all this sacrifice? Because it followed the old testament and represented the purest and biggest sacrifice of all. If God asked the people of Israel to submit a lamb sacrifice for forgiveness, then imagine how much God loves us to sacrifice his own son of his the holy trinitirian. This all happened to follow prophecies in the old testament and just like Isaiah said "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth" "For God so loved, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16)". Refer to previous text. Jesus came as a teacher to spread peace and followed his way to salvation for our sins. He did not come to punish or brag about his powers as a God. In the old testament, there are many phrases were God identified himself but in the new testament, there was a different goal. Although, like I mentioned you before, his actions worked to show people that truly he is the way, truth, and life. I'm going to add one more verse that illustrates this: When the jews asked him: "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:59) What you should be asking now is - If he was born in the new testament, how can he exist before Abraham? Right, he came to spread the message of the truth and stop the shedding of blood because he was the biggest sacrifice for our salvation. However, I did not say he was hiding his identity. Refer back to my quote, I said he did not reveal his full identity, that is why he spoke in parables. You see, his final goal was salvation on the cross but work of peace was along the way and his actions spoke for themselves. He informed them of the truth, prayers and mostly to love one another, no matter what but he did not force them. If God wanted to reveal his full identity, he could have came in his powerful glorious nature but then nobody would be able to withstand his powerful entity. So, would sacrifice occur if God revealed his glorious nature to the people? simply, No!. Afterall, who would dare to sacrifice the God of Israel (Jews point of view)? I Didn't understand what you mean by this. Jesus never claimed to be a prophet. The multiple verses I showed you are not enough? That is because you don't understand the holy trinity. The father, son and holy spirit all form God (3 in 1 and 1 in 3). This foreshadowed the prophecies in the old testament. God has only one son. When we unite with Jesus Christ and become one with him, we literally become united with God and become one of his flock. I suggest you stop copying and pasting from Islamic websites that look at the one dimensional aspect of God without understanding. Think on your own and let me know. David refereed to the upcoming prophecies that were going to happen in the new testament. Jesus even posed the same question to the Jews in the new testament. True. The work of the father acts on the son. The holy doctrine again. Does that make Jesus a prophet? No. It just describes the nature and different authorities of the holy trinity. If a prophet can't then how can you believe Jesus who did those things to be a prophet? No. What you should be saying is that the name used in Arabic is similar and actually derived from Hebrew and not the other way around. Why? Arabic did not exist back then. This is simple. Who told you they have been edited and what is your proof? If you were to come into court and claim that my book is fake and edited, shouldn't you be ready to present evidence first? The disciples were known and around people all the time. They were the ones who helped spread Christianity after Jesus with the work of the holy spirit. I did not read this yet because my time limits me at the moment but I will look into it and give you my answer. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27. Looks are not judged by religion. We were all born the same. May God Bless you, Luke
I just noticed that Luke, in his previous posting used the name Jehovah, which is blasphemy! [video=youtube;MIaORknS1Dk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk[/video]
Some people are not so insecure that they have to fear things that don't exist. If you want to fear made up stories with zero substance wicked you do that. But your opinions are yours and yours alone there's nothing wrong with the people of today, I work hard and I play hard and I'm loving life. If there's something I'm unhappy with about it I'll work on changing it.
Since the thread title is reality , let's have a look at the this thread . Here's how it's summarized :
Not buying it. Your God is deficient and has to become a man to give us a message. not only that, but Satan is making you believe that God committed suicide to save Christians from hell. BLASPHEMY Here we go again, some more humiliation for God who created this great universe, getting oppressed by bunch of men on earth, your blasphemy has no limits. Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." What about David the son of God what's in it for him? Your citation does not prove the divinity of Jesus. Jesus does not make it clear, if anything this another proof that the bible a vague book. And btw, I AM before Jesus. My soul was created before Jesus came into existence. Everything you think proves the divinity of Jesus can be interpreted in a different way, but no more bible verses please, I have refuted too many already. Bogus. NON of your verses prove the divinity for Jesus, I don't need to hear other people claiming that Jesus is God, I want to hear it from himself, got it? The truth hurts I guess, David was called a son of God, and according to God everyone who believes in God can be a son...so in short it's not a literal son. No you fail to understand. What Jesus means is that every time he does a miracle he is doing it by the will of God, to show others that he is indeed a prophet, we see Moses doing miracles by the will of God, this does not mean we start thinking he is God. “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)†"Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)" "My Father (GOD) is greater than I. (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)" "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. (From the NIV Bible, John 5:30)" I'm surprised you need to see any evidence of this, there is ample evidence. So you don't complain about me citing Islamic sources, I will let you listen ex-Christians who know the bible's history better than you do. Bart Ehrman has a Phd in the new testament studies: [video=youtube;HfJb0zZTGFY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJb0zZTGFY[/video] Khalid Yasin, ex-Christian [video=youtube;358Hft6peI8&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=358Hft6peI8&feature=related[/video] The final part, you will see another ex-Christian (masters from harvard): [video=youtube;mUr4Ln27c30]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUr4Ln27c30&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_983152[/video] Can you also comment on the codex sinaticus? We can talk about the corruption in the bible for a very long time, but we will suffice with this. There is no way you can deny the editing of the bible, ever. I'm not talking about "looks" in that sense, you know this very well. I'm talking about the actions of Jesus, they resemble that of a Muslim. e.g. "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed....(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)" Oh, what's this? Jesus (God according to you) praying to himself? Ofcourse not, it's Jesus (peace be upon him) the Prophet praying to God, not the way christians worship, which is to dance inside a church on sundays, but like a Muslim does every day. You need to be brave enough like the Jews at the time of Jesus to accept the message of Muhammed, and abandon the bible., plenty of people have preceded you in this, when the truth comes to you, you need to take it, for the truth shall set you free. --- Regards SP
Wow SolarProducts never heard of TL;DR . Since his gargling words I thought it would be nice to have some pics : Conclusion
it's not fair, you bias of a side! I should go for my side too! although I'm not sure SP needs help! freedom go to hell! hoom! I guess this means freedom should come to Islamic countries! good motto I guess. or maybe it means freedom for hell and dictatorship for heaven. Wise motto anyway, what's your idea? the pictures are so meaningful! I enjoyed conversation in this thread and guess all religious people deserve to go to heaven.
No need to explain the boards Muslims are holding, the intelligent person does not judge a religion by it's followers, but he asks questions and seeks clarification if in doubt. What Apocolypse is doing is character assasination, it's a habit he has, it is all to do with hindering other people to recognize the truth, but there is hope for him, we have far worse people who have entred into Islaam after being hostile to it's people, e.g. Umar Ibn al Khattab, who wished to kill the Prophet (peace be upon him), but later he became a Muslim. As for all religious people going to paradise, you are wrong in this, as Allaah the Mighty and Majestic says: "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Qur'aan 3:85) You may ask yourself what about the good deeds the non believers do, the answer is that they are filling a sack with a hole in it. Allaah the Mighty and Majestic in another verse says: "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, etc.) did, and We shall make such deeds as scattered floating particles of dust". (Qur'aan 25:23) After all nobody who has heard of the message has an excuse on the day of judgment, they knew the punishment beforehand, so it is justified, and bad is rewarded with bad, and good with good. Allaah The Almighty says: "Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you'' They will say: "Yes, indeed a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: `Allah never sent down anything (of revelation); you are only in great error.''' (67:8-9) And: "And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened. And its keepers will say, "Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves - reciting to you the verses of your Lord, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours'' They will say: "Yes,'' but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!" (39:71) "Therein they will cry: "Our Lord! Bring us out, we shall do righteous good deeds, not (the evil deeds) that we used to do.'' (Allah will reply "Did We not give you lives long enough, so that whosoever would receive admonition could receive it And the warner came to you. So taste you (the evil of your deeds). For the wrongdoers there is no helper.'' (35:37) So, as you can read from the above verses, there is no punishment without having heard the message of Islaam, the non believers will admit it themselves that they were wrong in what they used to do. If anyone wants more information, send me a pm. SP
Great post babak *applause* . Freedom go to hell = Freedom should come to Islamic countries I know that the post was sarcastic but this must be one of the best comebacks I've ever seen . Sorry for the shock pics but since SP will avoid arguments then the only way to combat his radicalism is by pics (they speak louder then his words) . Then i can sleep easy being sure that anyone reading this can stop and think
What you call freedom is arrogance towards your creator. Did you play a role in deciding which family you should be born at, what race you should possess, what gender you should have. Its all a gift from your creator. In return for the gift of life all Allah wants from you to remember him and worship him. You realize that your life is bound from your creation to your death. But you yourself don't want to be bound. This is the nature of human beings, He made us that way, but in order to keep us to the righteous path, He also send his book and his messengers. So its all up to you to accept his teachings, or reject it.
You'd be wise to understand this words : Try creating something like a painting , the design of a beautiful car and maybe you'll understand although i have my doubts .
Quoted from betaturns quote: Apocolypse:"the only way to combat his radicalism is by pics (they speak louder then his words). " When you get owned you quickly get pictures of bad Muslims to hinder others from seeing the truth, that is what I call cowardice. Apocolypse:"Then i can sleep easy being sure that anyone reading this can stop and think" Nice to know that when you are defeated you can't sleep at night. SP
You speak of cowardice yet you run away from an argument . Let us lock in a battle of wisdom and intelligence , if you have the guts .
Solar products just said my hope to see more people in heaven. yeah you are right just we will see the heaven. Mullahs tell that Shiites shall go to heaven and for us it guranied! Apocalyps I said SP need not help! so right I think. hope patriotic people read it.
There is a constant feeling of emptiness in our hearts, some try to fill it by fulfilling there worldly desires, some try to fill it by alcohol, some try to keep it away by drugs. But it never gets filled up, because you cant feed your soul with worldly desires, the more you do the more you will feel to do more.
No, I never said "we" will see heaven. No Muslim will tell you they are going to heaven. In fact whoever says he is going to paradise is indeed going to hell (I have a hadeeth to prove this) People are judged on the day of reckoning, and subsequently some Muslims will actually go to hell for their sins, they will at a later date be admitted to paradise. Also Babak, avoid the Shia clerics in your country, try to find the Sunni ones because Shia is a terrible sect founded by a Jew who infiltrated the Muslim ranks to try destroy Islaam from within. SP
anyway we will see each other then. yeah right Sunnis are more genuine but guess Shiite is more depend on their leader and more flexible. They have common principles.